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Napoleon
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| Palmer=Jeff George |
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RunDmc23
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Napoleon wrote: | | Palmer=Jeff George |
amen i thought he was going to do better i really think its the scheme and the offensive Cordinator.. teams know that he is passing because we dont have a run game at all.. different scheme mcfadden breaks for some big plays and defense dont focus in on palmer.. and our defense is straight wack not even peyton manning could win with our defense |
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oakdb36
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| dawsonleery wrote: | | Watch Reggie draft a QB... Raider fans will RIOT. We have no clue how this guy will set his draft board, we don't know his draft beliefs, he could be one of those guys that doesn't believe in passing on a QB, if your team doesn't have a long term answer already on the roster. The Packers did draft Rodgers and Brohm just a few years later in round 2, because they thought he was too good to pass up on. We had no picks last year so it was hard to get a read on him. I'm all for Star Lotulelei or Werner but damn, its making my head spin thinking about the draft. |
Imo, it's pretty likely we draft a QB this year. I'm not saying necessarily in the first round though.
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | dawsonleery wrote: | | Watch Reggie draft a QB... Raider fans will RIOT. We have no clue how this guy will set his draft board, we don't know his draft beliefs, he could be one of those guys that doesn't believe in passing on a QB, if your team doesn't have a long term answer already on the roster. The Packers did draft Rodgers and Brohm just a few years later in round 2, because they thought he was too good to pass up on. We had no picks last year so it was hard to get a read on him. I'm all for Star Lotulelei or Werner but damn, its making my head spin thinking about the draft. |
Imo, it's pretty likely we draft a QB this year. I'm not saying necessarily in the first round though. |
Agreed would be surprised if we don't draft one tbh.
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big_palooka
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | dawsonleery wrote: | | Watch Reggie draft a QB... Raider fans will RIOT. We have no clue how this guy will set his draft board, we don't know his draft beliefs, he could be one of those guys that doesn't believe in passing on a QB, if your team doesn't have a long term answer already on the roster. The Packers did draft Rodgers and Brohm just a few years later in round 2, because they thought he was too good to pass up on. We had no picks last year so it was hard to get a read on him. I'm all for Star Lotulelei or Werner but damn, its making my head spin thinking about the draft. |
Imo, it's pretty likely we draft a QB this year. I'm not saying necessarily in the first round though. |
Agree. I fully expect them to draft a QB. Dysert is my choice in the later rounds.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | dawsonleery wrote: | | Watch Reggie draft a QB... Raider fans will RIOT. We have no clue how this guy will set his draft board, we don't know his draft beliefs, he could be one of those guys that doesn't believe in passing on a QB, if your team doesn't have a long term answer already on the roster. The Packers did draft Rodgers and Brohm just a few years later in round 2, because they thought he was too good to pass up on. We had no picks last year so it was hard to get a read on him. I'm all for Star Lotulelei or Werner but damn, its making my head spin thinking about the draft. |
Imo, it's pretty likely we draft a QB this year. I'm not saying necessarily in the first round though. |
You can't say one way or another right now. If Reggie doesn't like the prospects/value, he's not going to draft one for the hell of it.
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oakdb36
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| Darkness wrote: | | oakdb36 wrote: | | dawsonleery wrote: | | Watch Reggie draft a QB... Raider fans will RIOT. We have no clue how this guy will set his draft board, we don't know his draft beliefs, he could be one of those guys that doesn't believe in passing on a QB, if your team doesn't have a long term answer already on the roster. The Packers did draft Rodgers and Brohm just a few years later in round 2, because they thought he was too good to pass up on. We had no picks last year so it was hard to get a read on him. I'm all for Star Lotulelei or Werner but damn, its making my head spin thinking about the draft. |
Imo, it's pretty likely we draft a QB this year. I'm not saying necessarily in the first round though. |
You can't say one way or another right now. If Reggie doesn't like the prospects/value, he's not going to draft one for the hell of it. |
True. That's just the Packers draft history leading me to believe he'd be willing to take a chance on a project at the position. This is a team who had Favre and Rodgers for the last 20 years and has still drafted 12 other QBs in the meantime. Those 12 include Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks and Matt Flynn.
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Willis666
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| Professor Oak wrote: | Like I said in the draft thread, I wouldn't mind us taking Star, but I'm always weary of inconsistent players who don't play with a motor. He should have dominated way more than he did. I don't see the Ngata comparison at all.
As much as you guys might not like it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reggie trade down and take Manti Teo. Especially with McClain likely gone. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the same concerns said for Ngata the year he came out?? Most College DTs will have motor problems, but that can be worked out with pro-conditioning.
If we pick top-3 then Star is still the player I hope we draft because I believe he can develop into that dominant-Ngata type player.
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| Willis666 wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | Like I said in the draft thread, I wouldn't mind us taking Star, but I'm always weary of inconsistent players who don't play with a motor. He should have dominated way more than he did. I don't see the Ngata comparison at all.
As much as you guys might not like it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reggie trade down and take Manti Teo. Especially with McClain likely gone. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the same concerns said for Ngata the year he came out?? Most College DTs will have motor problems, but that can be worked out with pro-conditioning.
If we pick top-3 then Star is still the player I hope we draft because I believe he can develop into that dominant-Ngata type player. |
Star is better prospect than Ngata was, Ngata still takes plays off, but he is still a beast. We need a lot of players adding him certainly wouldn't hurt, because the plays he doesn't take off he will destroy the opposition.
The problem isn't that a player takes a play off, it's when a player takes a play off if we are rushing three and he's at NT with a triple team, there is no reason for him to go all out he won't get there most of the time. But he needs to show up when we need him consistently and he has proved he can do that in college as Ngata did. |
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Willis666
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| Djackson205 wrote: | | Star is not a true Nose. Watch any of his games and you can clearly see that he is a penetrator who likes to get into the backfield. Much like Ngata, who isn't a nose either (He actually plays end in their 3-4). I would not be surprised if Jonathon Hankins out of OSU surpassed Star on some draft boards. Hankins is a true DT who stands his ground despite constant double teams. |
Does it matter if he's a Nose or not? We need dominant players and I'd hate to miss out on a potenial one. Hell do with him what the Ravens do with Ngata, and move him around for mismatches.
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NCOUGHMAN
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | Willis666 wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | Like I said in the draft thread, I wouldn't mind us taking Star, but I'm always weary of inconsistent players who don't play with a motor. He should have dominated way more than he did. I don't see the Ngata comparison at all.
As much as you guys might not like it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reggie trade down and take Manti Teo. Especially with McClain likely gone. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the same concerns said for Ngata the year he came out?? Most College DTs will have motor problems, but that can be worked out with pro-conditioning.
If we pick top-3 then Star is still the player I hope we draft because I believe he can develop into that dominant-Ngata type player. |
Star is better prospect than Ngata was, Ngata still takes plays off, but he is still a beast. We need a lot of players adding him certainly wouldn't hurt, because the plays he doesn't take off he will destroy the opposition.
The problem isn't that a player takes a play off, it's when a player takes a play off if we are rushing three and he's at NT with a triple team, there is no reason for him to go all out he won't get there most of the time. But he needs to show up when we need him consistently and he has proved he can do that in college as Ngata did. |
i dont like how star tries to jump the snap count ala tko
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Nodisrespect
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Nodisrespect wrote: | | Willis666 wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | Like I said in the draft thread, I wouldn't mind us taking Star, but I'm always weary of inconsistent players who don't play with a motor. He should have dominated way more than he did. I don't see the Ngata comparison at all.
As much as you guys might not like it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reggie trade down and take Manti Teo. Especially with McClain likely gone. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the same concerns said for Ngata the year he came out?? Most College DTs will have motor problems, but that can be worked out with pro-conditioning.
If we pick top-3 then Star is still the player I hope we draft because I believe he can develop into that dominant-Ngata type player. |
Star is better prospect than Ngata was, Ngata still takes plays off, but he is still a beast. We need a lot of players adding him certainly wouldn't hurt, because the plays he doesn't take off he will destroy the opposition.
The problem isn't that a player takes a play off, it's when a player takes a play off if we are rushing three and he's at NT with a triple team, there is no reason for him to go all out he won't get there most of the time. But he needs to show up when we need him consistently and he has proved he can do that in college as Ngata did. |
i dont like how star tries to jump the snap count ala tko |
Yeah i see that too, most lineman do it though. Some are just better than other, for example Seymour is excellent at jumping the snap so was Burgess and Sapp. Have to take the good with the bad. |
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NCOUGHMAN
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| Nodisrespect wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Nodisrespect wrote: | | Willis666 wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | Like I said in the draft thread, I wouldn't mind us taking Star, but I'm always weary of inconsistent players who don't play with a motor. He should have dominated way more than he did. I don't see the Ngata comparison at all.
As much as you guys might not like it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reggie trade down and take Manti Teo. Especially with McClain likely gone. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the same concerns said for Ngata the year he came out?? Most College DTs will have motor problems, but that can be worked out with pro-conditioning.
If we pick top-3 then Star is still the player I hope we draft because I believe he can develop into that dominant-Ngata type player. |
Star is better prospect than Ngata was, Ngata still takes plays off, but he is still a beast. We need a lot of players adding him certainly wouldn't hurt, because the plays he doesn't take off he will destroy the opposition.
The problem isn't that a player takes a play off, it's when a player takes a play off if we are rushing three and he's at NT with a triple team, there is no reason for him to go all out he won't get there most of the time. But he needs to show up when we need him consistently and he has proved he can do that in college as Ngata did. |
i dont like how star tries to jump the snap count ala tko |
Yeah i see that too, most lineman do it though. Some are just better than other, for example Seymour is excellent at jumping the snap so was Burgess and Sapp. Have to take the good with the bad. |
imo dt's and nt's have no excuse for jumping offsides when the ball is right in front of their face.
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Star is my favourite player in the draft. The kid is going to be a beast and bring some much needed talent to our Dline interior. Either him, Jockel or Moore will make me happy.
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Nodisrespect wrote: | | Willis666 wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | Like I said in the draft thread, I wouldn't mind us taking Star, but I'm always weary of inconsistent players who don't play with a motor. He should have dominated way more than he did. I don't see the Ngata comparison at all.
As much as you guys might not like it, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reggie trade down and take Manti Teo. Especially with McClain likely gone. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the same concerns said for Ngata the year he came out?? Most College DTs will have motor problems, but that can be worked out with pro-conditioning.
If we pick top-3 then Star is still the player I hope we draft because I believe he can develop into that dominant-Ngata type player. |
Star is better prospect than Ngata was, Ngata still takes plays off, but he is still a beast. We need a lot of players adding him certainly wouldn't hurt, because the plays he doesn't take off he will destroy the opposition.
The problem isn't that a player takes a play off, it's when a player takes a play off if we are rushing three and he's at NT with a triple team, there is no reason for him to go all out he won't get there most of the time. But he needs to show up when we need him consistently and he has proved he can do that in college as Ngata did. |
i dont like how star tries to jump the snap count ala tko |
I saw that too.
He also seems to have a bit of a tendency to charge straight at the QB as the RB runs right past him on occasions (I was thinking a bit like Gerard Warren). |
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