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DJ_Fka


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Cooper alot.

However at 38 I like about 5 more people than him

If we went Fisher, then Cooper, I would be more than happy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's further along than Russell Wilson at the same age.


I do not know how to respond to this, but, um...the...what..Just..No.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
Drop off between Warmack and Cooper is pretty severe.

However, drop off between Cooper and Warford and other guards isnt as much.


It really isn't. The perceived gap is huge, the real gap is not.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
I like Cooper alot.

However at 38 I like about 5 more people than him

If we went Fisher, then Cooper, I would be more than happy.


Cooper is more than likely not even an option for us at 38. Ill be taken in the mess at the end of the first round by a playoff team wanting to add another peice to their offensive line. Possibly to Seattle.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DirtyDez wrote:
He's further along than Russell Wilson at the same age.


I do not know how to respond to this, but, um...the...what..Just..No.


Well considering Manziel just had the greatest freshman season ever... Plus he's already taller and will probably grow considering his hand/feet size.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
He's further along than Russell Wilson at the same age.


I do not know how to respond to this, but, um...the...what..Just..No.


Well considering Manziel just had the greatest freshman season ever... Plus he's already taller and will probably grow considering his hand/feet size.


Considering that Tim Tebow posted arguably the greatest collegiate football season ever I am just wondering what it has to do with the ability to translate to the NFL?

Just to throw this out here; Russell Wilson as a rsFR at NC State threw 17 TD's to 1 INT on 275 pass attempts.

This with a running game that ranked 87th in the nation, with help from the 400 yards and 4 TD's provided by him and a leading receiver that grabbed 31 passes and a team that ranked 83rd in the NCAA in sacks allowed despite their mobile QB.

Johnny is and likely will continue to be a far bigger threat with his legs than Russell is and was. But Russell was advanced as a passer of the football, even in 2008, far, far more advance than Johnny.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
He's further along than Russell Wilson at the same age.


I do not know how to respond to this, but, um...the...what..Just..No.


Well considering Manziel just had the greatest freshman season ever... Plus he's already taller and will probably grow considering his hand/feet size.


Considering that Tim Tebow posted arguably the greatest collegiate football season ever I am just wondering what it has to do with the ability to translate to the NFL?


Tebow's throwing motion is 8 seconds long. It's been the knock on him from day 1. You knew right away it was unfixable.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tebow's throwing motion is 8 seconds long. It's been the knock on him from day 1. You knew right away it was unfixable.


And there are a lot of things in Johnnys game that need to be fixed. To assert that he is further along at this stage than Russell Wilson was is just false. He hay have had a better college football season than Russell ever did, but that does not mean he translates better to the Pros than Russell did at the same age.

I mean Braxton Miller just had a pretty special season for Ohio State, is he now further along than Russell Wilson was at the same age?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
Tebow's throwing motion is 8 seconds long. It's been the knock on him from day 1. You knew right away it was unfixable.


And there are a lot of things in Johnnys game that need to be fixed. To assert that he is further along at this stage than Russell Wilson was is just false. He hay have had a better college football season than Russell ever did, but that does not mean he translates better to the Pros than Russell did at the same age.

I mean Braxton Miller just had a pretty special season for Ohio State, is he now further along than Russell Wilson was at the same age?


No but neither Miller or Wilson was as accurate (at the same age).
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No but neither Miller or Wilson was as accurate (at the same age).


Based on? And please don't say completion percentage.
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DirtyDez wrote:
No but neither Miller or Wilson was as accurate (at the same age).


Based on? And please don't say completion percentage.


Ok. Less balls hit the ground...?

In terms of throwing downfield JF was superior but in Wilson's defense he didn't have elite college tackles. Still, in traffic Manziel was superb.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Braxton is not an NFL QB, please can we make that clear atm.

He is Denard Robinson, only taller.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder who will draft in the third round?

http://arizonasports.com/40/1605572/Patrick-Peterson-mentors-former-LSU-star-Tyrann-Mathieu
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Champ --

I know you don't see Geno as the perfect fit for Arians system. Say he falls on draft day, magically, to pick #7...... do you take him or do you take a lineman like Warmack/Fisher ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iRobot wrote:
Champ --

I know you don't see Geno as the perfect fit for Arians system. Say he falls on draft day, magically, to pick #7...... do you take him or do you take a lineman like Warmack/Fisher ?


I would take Geno Smith.
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