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JohnnyV


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just something to keep in mind, Jacksonville traded Tampa their 4th round pick a year ago to move from 7th to 5th.

To get to the Raiders at 3 IF we wanted Luke, I'd say it would take no less than our 2nd. We'll see.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyV wrote:
Just something to keep in mind, Jacksonville traded Tampa their 4th round pick a year ago to move from 7th to 5th.

To get to the Raiders at 3 IF we wanted Luke, I'd say it would take no less than our 2nd. We'll see.


Raiders don't have a 2nd round pick this year either. With the way Green Bay ran it's franchise for years, draft first all the time, I think Packer disciple Reggie McKenzie (Oakland's GM) would jump all over a 2nd round pick. I'd start with a 3rd and see where that gets us.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JohnnyV wrote:
Just something to keep in mind, Jacksonville traded Tampa their 4th round pick a year ago to move from 7th to 5th.

To get to the Raiders at 3 IF we wanted Luke, I'd say it would take no less than our 2nd. We'll see.


Raiders don't have a 2nd round pick this year either. With the way Green Bay ran it's franchise for years, draft first all the time, I think Packer disciple Reggie McKenzie (Oakland's GM) would jump all over a 2nd round pick. I'd start with a 3rd and see where that gets us.


Yep. Word is we're gonna get a swap draft pick from Minny for AJ. Lets hope it's say our 6th for their 5th.

You could then package a 1st,3rd and a one of your two 5ths.
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JohnnyV wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
Just something to keep in mind, Jacksonville traded Tampa their 4th round pick a year ago to move from 7th to 5th.

To get to the Raiders at 3 IF we wanted Luke, I'd say it would take no less than our 2nd. We'll see.


Raiders don't have a 2nd round pick this year either. With the way Green Bay ran it's franchise for years, draft first all the time, I think Packer disciple Reggie McKenzie (Oakland's GM) would jump all over a 2nd round pick. I'd start with a 3rd and see where that gets us.


Yep. Word is we're gonna get a swap draft pick from Minny for AJ. Lets hope it's say our 6th for their 5th.

You could then package a 1st,3rd and a one of your two 5ths.


I would definitely make that trade. Get Geno and a round 2 offensive lineman.
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JohnnyV wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
JohnnyV wrote:
Just something to keep in mind, Jacksonville traded Tampa their 4th round pick a year ago to move from 7th to 5th.

To get to the Raiders at 3 IF we wanted Luke, I'd say it would take no less than our 2nd. We'll see.


Raiders don't have a 2nd round pick this year either. With the way Green Bay ran it's franchise for years, draft first all the time, I think Packer disciple Reggie McKenzie (Oakland's GM) would jump all over a 2nd round pick. I'd start with a 3rd and see where that gets us.


Yep. Word is we're gonna get a swap draft pick from Minny for AJ. Lets hope it's say our 6th for their 5th.

You could then package a 1st,3rd and a one of your two 5ths.


I would definitely make that trade. Get Geno and a round 2 offensive lineman.


That's what I like to call the IDEAL REALISTIC scenario.

BA Olinemen in the second.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Khodder you think Berk Mingo could go before #7?
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So Khodder you think Berk Mingo could go before #7?


No doubt, ridiculously athleic, the bowl game really showed his upside as a pass rusher, he was in the backfield every second snap. He is very fast off the ball, amazing first step, great closing speed. Right now he is raw though, needs to get his hands more active, he has a speed rush and an inside spin move right now.

Potential to be a year in year out 12-15+ sack guy.
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He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.
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Also, seeing as we are talking CLE vs LSU

Clemson DE, Carmichael (think that is his name, too lazy to kook it up atm), 6'4 280, endless motor

Would be a nice 4th round choice to add depth behind DD or eventually replace him.
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He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.


Bolded: Huh? He had like 14 sacks in 3 years...
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He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.


He can stop the run. He is not going to be an anchor, but he can work down the LOS well, and he can no doubt split the line and make a play in the backfield.
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stchamp98 wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.


Bolded: Huh? He had like 14 sacks in 3 years...


Box Score Scouting?

I did not like the look at the sack numbers but every time you turn on an LSU game you see Mingo in the backfield consistently.
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stchamp98 wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.


Bolded: Huh? He had like 14 sacks in 3 years...


Didnt say he finished.

He was always there to make a play, didnt always do that.

Caused hurries and other problems, or his teammates made plays because of his pressure.
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khodder wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.


Bolded: Huh? He had like 14 sacks in 3 years...


Box Score Scouting?

I did not like the look at the sack numbers but every time you turn on an LSU game you see Mingo in the backfield consistently.


i was saying that months ago, but everyone insisted i was wrong. If you watch him he's very disruptive. Don't look at just stats, look at tape.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
DJ_Fka wrote:
He killed for LSU, he is strickly OLB, not a DE in 4-3, cannot stop run.

Can rush passer like it is going out of fashion though.

He has to be plan C or D at 7.


Bolded: Huh? He had like 14 sacks in 3 years...


Box Score Scouting?

I did not like the look at the sack numbers but every time you turn on an LSU game you see Mingo in the backfield consistently.


Watched 5 LSU games just this season. More last year.

Every time he plays someone not from Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia or anywhere other than Towson. That's more accurate.
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