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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB
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I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.
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I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.
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I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


He is a LOT more than just an athlete. He is a leader almost like no other. This is one of his biggest strengths, and the thing that elevates him above other players even though they may have better mechanics. It's the sum of what Tebow brings to the table that adds up to more than what the other QB's offer. It's this that allowed him to lead the Broncos to the playoffs last year in only his second season.

In comparison, I think Ponder is a more traditional type of quarterback whose strengths and weaknesses are easier to quantify. IMO, he can become a good player eventually if we invest enough time into him, but his ceiling is nowhere near as high as Tebow's. We saw it while they were both in college, and we saw it again last year in the NFL.
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ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.


All I know is you must be dreaming if you think Tebow is a better passer in any way. Tebow has the ugliest footwork, form, and accuracy Ive ever seen. Ponder is no stud by any means but to say Tebow is a better passer is pretty ridiculous.
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ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.


All I know is you must be dreaming if you think Tebow is a better passer in any way. Tebow has the ugliest footwork, form, and accuracy Ive ever seen. Ponder is no stud by any means but to say Tebow is a better passer is pretty ridiculous.


Your really overrating Ponder. He has all those things you mentioned that tebow has. Tebows leadership plus him playing alongside AD would definitely make him better than he was in Denver and to me Ponder year doesn't even match tebow small sample size in Denver. Tebow being a better passer isn't even close to ridiculous. It doesn't say that stat wise or even on eye test.
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[Tebow] is a LOT more than just an athlete. He is a leader almost like no other. This is one of his biggest strengths, and the thing that elevates him above other players even though they may have better mechanics. It's the sum of what Tebow brings to the table that adds up to more than what the other QB's offer. It's this that allowed him to lead the Broncos to the playoffs last year in only his second season.

if it's alright with you, Buckster, i'll trust John Elway's assessment of Tebow. the one where he pretty much says he's not a NFL QB, and wanted no part of him.

Elway knows a great deal about team leadership coming from behind center.
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ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.


All I know is you must be dreaming if you think Tebow is a better passer in any way. Tebow has the ugliest footwork, form, and accuracy Ive ever seen. Ponder is no stud by any means but to say Tebow is a better passer is pretty ridiculous.


Your really overrating Ponder. He has all those things you mentioned that tebow has. Tebows leadership plus him playing alongside AD would definitely make him better than he was in Denver and to me Ponder year doesn't even match tebow small sample size in Denver. Tebow being a better passer isn't even close to ridiculous. It doesn't say that stat wise or even on eye test.


Its about as ridiculous as you can get. Im not overrating Ponder at all...I just admitted he was no stud by any means. I'm pretty sure you're overrating Tebow's throwing abilities. Tebow had a better WR corps as well. You actually think that Tim Tebow could succeed with these receivers?? You are dreaming
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I've given my thoughts on why I think Tebow would be superior to Ponder. I'll quit hijacking this thread and let the discussion get back solely to our current quarterback.
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vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.


All I know is you must be dreaming if you think Tebow is a better passer in any way. Tebow has the ugliest footwork, form, and accuracy Ive ever seen. Ponder is no stud by any means but to say Tebow is a better passer is pretty ridiculous.


Your really overrating Ponder. He has all those things you mentioned that tebow has. Tebows leadership plus him playing alongside AD would definitely make him better than he was in Denver and to me Ponder year doesn't even match tebow small sample size in Denver. Tebow being a better passer isn't even close to ridiculous. It doesn't say that stat wise or even on eye test.


Its about as ridiculous as you can get. Im not overrating Ponder at all...I just admitted he was no stud by any means. I'm pretty sure you're overrating Tebow's throwing abilities. Tebow had a better WR corps as well. You actually think that Tim Tebow could succeed with these receivers?? You are dreaming


Percy was a better receiver than anyone in Denver (when healthy). I'm honestly not Ponder is one of the worst starting QB's in the league right now. It's not saying much numbers wise. As for success I believe we would of won that Packer game and another game with tebow. I also think we would of did better in Seattle with Tebow because you couldn't do that much worse with ponder. Your the one who is dreaming if you think there is a huge difference in their throwing abilities.
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vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.


All I know is you must be dreaming if you think Tebow is a better passer in any way. Tebow has the ugliest footwork, form, and accuracy Ive ever seen. Ponder is no stud by any means but to say Tebow is a better passer is pretty ridiculous.


Your really overrating Ponder. He has all those things you mentioned that tebow has. Tebows leadership plus him playing alongside AD would definitely make him better than he was in Denver and to me Ponder year doesn't even match tebow small sample size in Denver. Tebow being a better passer isn't even close to ridiculous. It doesn't say that stat wise or even on eye test.


Its about as ridiculous as you can get. Im not overrating Ponder at all...I just admitted he was no stud by any means. I'm pretty sure you're overrating Tebow's throwing abilities. Tebow had a better WR corps as well. You actually think that Tim Tebow could succeed with these receivers?? You are dreaming


Personally, I think it's ok to acknowledge that the deficiencies in our passing game are caused by more than just one thing. Neither Ponder nor any other quarterback could do a lot with the receivers we have right now, especially when Percy is out of the game.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncle Buck wrote:
Well, I've given my thoughts on why I think Tebow would be superior to Ponder. I'll quit hijacking this thread and let the discussion get back solely to our current quarterback.


I realize that any discussion about Ponder will ultimately lead to a discussion about other QB options, and I don't intend to prevent that if we can get a positive discussion out of it, as it relates to Ponder.

However, I'd rather not see the thread become so focused on other QB options where it overpowers the Ponder talk. Discussing Tebow is fine, or any other potential QB for that matter. I would ideally like to see Ponder as the primary focus of the conversation though. If we can do that, I think we can get a more informative discussion about Ponder.
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Uncle Buck wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


He is a LOT more than just an athlete. He is a leader almost like no other. This is one of his biggest strengths, and the thing that elevates him above other players even though they may have better mechanics. It's the sum of what Tebow brings to the table that adds up to more than what the other QB's offer. It's this that allowed him to lead the Broncos to the playoffs last year in only his second season.

In comparison, I think Ponder is a more traditional type of quarterback whose strengths and weaknesses are easier to quantify. IMO, he can become a good player eventually if we invest enough time into him, but his ceiling is nowhere near as high as Tebow's. We saw it while they were both in college, and we saw it again last year in the NFL.


I saw a very good defense that made it difficult to score more than 2 touchdowns per game. Tim Tebow just wasn't asked to do much and often played like crap for 3 quarters.

Still Tim Tebow with Bill Musgrave?
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vikingsrule wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:
Well, I've given my thoughts on why I think Tebow would be superior to Ponder. I'll quit hijacking this thread and let the discussion get back solely to our current quarterback.


I realize that any discussion about Ponder will ultimately lead to a discussion about other QB options, and I don't intend to prevent that if we can get a positive discussion out of it, as it relates to Ponder.

However, I'd rather not see the thread become so focused on other QB options where it overpowers the Ponder talk. Discussing Tebow is fine, or any other potential QB for that matter. I would ideally like to see Ponder as the primary focus of the conversation though. If we can do that, I think we can get a more informative discussion about Ponder.


I really have to start reading the entire thread before I reply Mad
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ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
ktarinze wrote:
vikesnewcoach11 wrote:
I just dont understand how someone could think Tebow is a better passer than Ponder. That is Tebows main issue....HE CANT THROW...he's an athlete...thats it


Not that hard to think that when Ponder is your QB


No its still pretty hard to think. As bad as Sanchez is, Tebow still doesnt play because he cant throw. Tim Tebow is an athlete, not a quarterback...end of story.


It's really not Ponder is very bad to me and to the majority is at least saying he isn't a starting QB and the sanchez thing is because rex is to attached to him. Even Jets fans wanted a change at QB.


All I know is you must be dreaming if you think Tebow is a better passer in any way. Tebow has the ugliest footwork, form, and accuracy Ive ever seen. Ponder is no stud by any means but to say Tebow is a better passer is pretty ridiculous.


Your really overrating Ponder. He has all those things you mentioned that tebow has. Tebows leadership plus him playing alongside AD would definitely make him better than he was in Denver and to me Ponder year doesn't even match tebow small sample size in Denver. Tebow being a better passer isn't even close to ridiculous. It doesn't say that stat wise or even on eye test.


Its about as ridiculous as you can get. Im not overrating Ponder at all...I just admitted he was no stud by any means. I'm pretty sure you're overrating Tebow's throwing abilities. Tebow had a better WR corps as well. You actually think that Tim Tebow could succeed with these receivers?? You are dreaming


Percy was a better receiver than anyone in Denver (when healthy). I'm honestly not Ponder is one of the worst starting QB's in the league right now. It's not saying much numbers wise. As for success I believe we would of won that Packer game and another game with tebow. I also think we would of did better in Seattle with Tebow because you couldn't do that much worse with ponder. Your the one who is dreaming if you think there is a huge difference in their throwing abilities.


haha ohhh boy. When Percy was playing...Ponders produced a little more than he is now. But thats not my point...WITH OUR CURRENT ACTIVE RECEIVERS you actually think Tebow would succeed? Nope sorry.

And no Im very much awake at this point. Tebow is a great leader and can run the ball, but other than that, QB wise, he is useless. Ponder's throwing game hasnt been great but what does Tebow ALWAYS get criticized for?? His throwing ability. Its pathetic and its quite obvious to the naked eye. Are you confusing Tebow with another QB, because you saying the guy is a better passer than Ponder is ridiculous. There arent many QB's in this league that arent better than Tebow throwing wise
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