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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
Would our top 10 pick be worth Phillip Rivers? 31 years old and declining with 3/45 left on his contract... But still a massive upgrade.


Good question. I think our pick might be worth more, in all honesty. I'd make that trade either way. Doubt San Diego would, however.
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Yeah I agree. Whatever mobility he had left is gone. Getting him would be great but it would probably cost more picks denying us the ability to improve our OL.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reviewing a couple of Geno Smith games and catching up on some Tyler Wislon games I can say, right now, unequivocally, that Tyler Wilson is my #1 QB available in this draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
After reviewing a couple of Geno Smith games and catching up on some Tyler Wislon games I can say, right now, unequivocally, that Tyler Wilson is my #1 QB available in this draft.

First, I agree. Second, just how terribad is this QB class when the top QB prospect comes with some very real concussion risks?!? Personally, I think this is one of the worst QB classes in recent history.

Now admittedly, I want the Bills to take Wilson, but I feel that way knowing he could be just as fragile as Kolb! It's a gamble I'd take out of sheer desperation. We have a good running game, but that is really it...there's WR Stevie Johnson (realistically a good #2) and the D has some pieces to grow on, but the LB's especially are not very good and we probably need to upgrade half of the secondary. Even though the Bills may be picking very early in the following year's draft again and gaining access to what I feel is a better QB class, I don't think that team can afford not to roll the dice this year. I would not be opposed to taking 2 - 1st or 2nd round QB's in a row if Wilson were to fail or be too injury prone. We absolutely need to take some risks to dig out of the AFCE cellar, which we've owned for far too long.

IMHO the Cards, with their far better defense, can afford to play the strengths of this draft and wait until the following class to go after a QB, especially if the offensive coaching staff can put a higher emphasis on the running game. Again, I believe the QB class will be a stronger and deeper one next year, so I expect the team to be able to find their QB of the future then. In the meantime, I'd roll the dice on Kolb one last time and keep Lindley for depth and probably target Moore in FA. I feel with Kolb's tendency to get injured, a quality back-up is necessary. I'd also want Moore as the long-term veteran backup to groom the eventual youngster, mostly because I believe he'd be cheaper than Kolb. This draft/off-season then, I would make sure I built up a good OL that could not only run the ball, but protect the QB. And who knows, Kolb just might even surprise us all and stay healthy!
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I dunno, I REALLY like Wilson. Has the arm to make the 15 yard comebacks and the 12 yard outs. He has a quick release and shows the ability to make throws on time and accurately from multiple different platforms. He is very good with men coming at him, you see him (ala Kurt Warner) sit in the pocket until the very last millisecond to deliver the ball even when he knows he is about to take a huge hit. He had next two no help on offense (I counted 5 drops from Cobi Hamilton alone between the Tulsa and LSU games) outside of Dennis Johnson and Knile Davis.

I really like the skillset Wilson has, I love his heart, I love his ability to make progressions and then find his checkdown if nothing is open, the concussions are a bit of an issue, but he has not shown the "unhealability" of a Kolb, and he has got back on the field pretty quickly after those injuries.

I don't know what either player is like as a worker or a film junkie, but on the field Wilson is a good head above Geno for me.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I too have been very impressed with what I've seen from Wilson, especially his willingness to seemingly calmly hang in there and finish the play. However, in my notes I have 1 big asteric noting his head injuries. It concerns me almost as much as Jones' spinal stenosis history does. I mean, I recognize the talent, but I'd hope to have confidence that he'd be able to play for several years given an early to mid 1st round investment.

If he were to fall to the Cards, I think he'd be worth the pick - same for the Bills, who I really do believe will try to trade up for him (and now maybe the Cards will too). The rest of the QB's in this draft don't really give me that true "franchise" feeling - even Smith, who I suspect is going to be the next Rich Gannon (a backup seemingly forever who finally shines at the end of his career). And that is why I think this class is so weak.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This year's 1st & 2nd and next year's 2nd Rounder for:

QB-Josh Freeman & WR-Mike Williams.



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do Tampa do if they trade away their two best players?

I know the Glazers are tight when it comes to cash, but common.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khodder wrote:
After reviewing a couple of Geno Smith games and catching up on some Tyler Wislon games I can say, right now, unequivocally, that Tyler Wilson is my #1 QB available in this draft.

I still like Barkley.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barkley is the safest pick.

Will be a good NFL QB, question is can anyone become a great QB, Smith and Wilson have those qualties, Bray maybe too.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJ_Fka wrote:
Barkley is the safest pick.

Will be a good NFL QB, question is can anyone become a great QB, Smith and Wilson have those qualties, Bray maybe too.


I don't know, guys with his arm and his senior season decision making are not successful NFL QB's. Guys with his arm need to make sound decisions throw in and throw out and Barkley did not do that. I could see Barkley have a Brian Brohm like NFL career.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see your point.

Overall his body of work in college is better than Brohm's.

I think in a West Coast system, he can be real successful, like Young or Montana.

Short throws, good receivers.

Look how Lindley looked on Sunday, completed more than a few Slants, which we dont throw enough of IMO.
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I see Matt Ryan when I watch Barkley. Likely a game manager early in his NFL career who can eventually take the next step. Doesn't seem like a Whiz QB though. He likes 6'4" canon-arm guys.
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DirtyDez wrote:
I see Matt Ryan when I watch Barkley. Likely a game manager early in his NFL career who can eventually take the next step. Doesn't seem like a Whiz QB though. He likes 6'4" canon-arm guys.


Ryan has a far better arm than Barkley, he can make those stick throws between defenders and he can make those out and comeback throws that Barkley cannot. Ryan is also a better decision maker.
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khodder wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
I see Matt Ryan when I watch Barkley. Likely a game manager early in his NFL career who can eventually take the next step. Doesn't seem like a Whiz QB though. He likes 6'4" canon-arm guys.


Ryan has a far better arm than Barkley, he can make those stick throws between defenders and he can make those out and comeback throws that Barkley cannot. Ryan is also a better decision maker.


Well yeah he's been in the NFL for years now. But Ryan struggled with decision making too in college. 15 TDs/10 INTs his Junior year and 31 TDs/19 INTs his Senior year. He also didn't complete a high number of passes and his arm strength was in question too. He was as underwhelming a #1 pick as I've seen. But he had all the intangibles. I can see the similarities to Barkley.
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