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AZCardinalsFan
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I would go for a small school player. But not a later round project. He has to be able to play right away. Im assuming we are talking about Fales?? I took a quick look at his stats and they are pretty impressive. Much better than Skeltons or Lindleys were in college by far.
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stchamp98
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| #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | SuperFlyTNT wrote: | I have no problem with the small school QBs either - the following is a list of super-bowl winning QB's from small schools:
Ben Roethlisberger - Miami of Ohio (Round 1, Pick 11)
Trent Dilfer - Fresno State (Round 1, Pick 6 - yeah, not a great example)
Kurt Warner - Northern Iowa (Undrafted)
Brett Favre - Southern Mississippi (Round 2, Pick 33)
Doug Williams - Grambling State (Round 1, Pick 17)
Phil Simms - Morehead State (Round 1, Pick 7)
Terry Bradshaw - Louisiana Tech (Round 1, Pick 1)
Roger Staubach - Navy (Round 10, Pick 129)
So - there's plenty of them, but clearly most of them were identified as top prospects before the draft despite being from small schools (Kurt and Roger Staubach the notable exceptions).
None of these schools is as small as Fordham, of course - but I think they are all in a similar category with SD State. |
Shall we compare this list to the Super Bowl winning QB's from Major schools? For every Ben Roethlisberger there is a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. The small school experiment needs to end.It hasn't worked here. |
DRC worked just fine in the system tailored to him. Pro Bowl.
Judging players by their schools and nothing else is extremely, EXTREMELY dangerous and will burn you. |
Possibly yes but they team needs to draft a QB and O line a little higher. they are the teams biggest weakness and they continue to be ignored. |
Whoa, who said I want the team to not pick a QB high in April? I never said that. Wanting a guy from San Jose State/Syracuse (Where Donovan McNabb came from) and wanting a guy in rounds 5-6 are two entirely different things. Fales and Nassib are going way higher than that.
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stchamp98
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| AZCardinalsFan wrote: | | I would go for a small school player. But not a later round project. He has to be able to play right away. Im assuming we are talking about Fales?? I took a quick look at his stats and they are pretty impressive. Much better than Skeltons or Lindleys were in college by far. |
Ryan Lindley college completion percentage: 55.5
John Skelton college completion percentage: 58.8
David Fales college completion percentage: 66.9
These guys are nothing alike.
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| I still want Matt Barkley. He's a team leader and he's smart which we cant say about Lindley or Skelton. |
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DirtyDez
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| AZPSquared wrote: | | I still want Matt Barkley. He's a team leader and he's smart which we cant say about Lindley or Skelton. |
He's a poised QB but this year he was shaky. He should've entered the draft and realized it a few games in. I remember his first road game as a true freshman @ Ohio St. Game winning drive... I've always thought the "draft tiers" were silly but i'd feel a lot better taking Barkley at #7 instead of 4.
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stchamp98
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| AZPSquared wrote: | | I still want Matt Barkley. He's a team leader and he's smart which we cant say about Lindley or Skelton. |
Intelligence and leadership are 2 necessary qualities for being a QB in this league but you've got to have the physical attributes. You just have to, Barkley really doesn't em. He's gonna measure under 6'3 1/2", fact. He's nothing more than an average athlete, fact. He can't throw every route in our tree, fact. That right there does nothing but shorten our playbook which in turn makes us completely predictable on offense. In this league that's disaster and although different circumstances it really doesn't make us much different than we are right now. Barkley's got the head but you have to have the physical attributes to make it in this league (If you didn't, we'd be starting Max Hall right now). Barkley is nothing more than an average-below average guy physicall. I wish it wasn't but that's the reality of the situation.
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I'll take Max Hall with 3 inches and a good arm. I have yet to see anything convincing that Barkley's arm is average or below. Seen 50+ with velocity in a stand still. His arm strength is one of the last things I'd worry about.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Realistic QB options in no patricular order. |
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | DirtyDez wrote: | | Cusi10 wrote: | | Michael Vick - most likley is released and able to sign as he chooses. Had our chance to sign him and passed do we take a chance again. He will sell jerseys and put people in the seats. Can still sling it but his injury history is as bad if not worse than Kolb. |
He was coming out of prison besides we'll have a new staff... |
Not only was he coming from prison but we had some guy named Kurt who was sort of ok.
I hope we stay away though. Shell of his former self and looked downright terrible at times. Soundly outplayed by Kolb this season. |
uh they knew we needed a backup to replace kurt in the next year or two and they werent sold in leinart so theres that. im not an idiot. |
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DJ_Fka
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| khodder wrote: | | #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Shall we compare this list to the Super Bowl winning QB's from Major schools? For every Ben Roethlisberger there is a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. The small school experiment needs to end.It hasn't worked here. |
The same Tom Brady who struggled to beat out Drew Henson at Michigan? |
That was the fans decision not Tom's. Henson was all world HS player, golden child, tom was skinny Cali kid.
Tom still bailed them out every 4th qtr and won the bowl game to if I recall. |
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | AZPSquared wrote: | | I still want Matt Barkley. He's a team leader and he's smart which we cant say about Lindley or Skelton. |
Intelligence and leadership are 2 necessary qualities for being a QB in this league but you've got to have the physical attributes. You just have to, Barkley really doesn't em. He's gonna measure under 6'3 1/2", fact. He's nothing more than an average athlete, fact. He can't throw every route in our tree, fact. That right there does nothing but shorten our playbook which in turn makes us completely predictable on offense. In this league that's disaster and although different circumstances it really doesn't make us much different than we are right now. Barkley's got the head but you have to have the physical attributes to make it in this league (If you didn't, we'd be starting Max Hall right now). Barkley is nothing more than an average-below average guy physicall. I wish it wasn't but that's the reality of the situation. |
champ i would trust you and khodders opinion on this question. so you said barkley cant throw every route in our tree. when we were in our hayday with kurt especially his last year when we went 10-6 would u say he could throw every route in our tree? |
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DirtyDez
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| DJ_Fka wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Shall we compare this list to the Super Bowl winning QB's from Major schools? For every Ben Roethlisberger there is a Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. The small school experiment needs to end.It hasn't worked here. |
The same Tom Brady who struggled to beat out Drew Henson at Michigan? |
That was the fans decision not Tom's. Henson was all world HS player, golden child, tom was skinny Cali kid.
Tom still bailed them out every 4th qtr and won the bowl game to if I recall. |
+1
If they didn't get Drew PT he would've gone to the Yankees earlier. More politics than football.
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| Cusi10 wrote: | | champ i would trust you and khodders opinion on this question. so you said barkley cant throw every route in our tree. when we were in our hayday with kurt especially his last year when we went 10-6 would u say he could throw every route in our tree? |
No. He could not throw past 15 yards with any great accuracy or consistency.
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | AZCardinalsFan wrote: | | I would go for a small school player. But not a later round project. He has to be able to play right away. Im assuming we are talking about Fales?? I took a quick look at his stats and they are pretty impressive. Much better than Skeltons or Lindleys were in college by far. |
Ryan Lindley college completion percentage: 55.5
John Skelton college completion percentage: 58.8
David Fales college completion percentage: 66.9
These guys are nothing alike. |
Fales hasn't had a single game under 65% either. That's incredible. Geno Smih has 3, albeit stronger competition but Fales played two great defenses too (Stanford and BYU)
Also I admit I haven't done my homework on Fales. Kinda assumed a 1 year starter would stay in school. The biggest knock some people have on him is his arm strength which they call average or whatever. I have a hard time believing a guy who throws 9.31 yards per attempt has an arm that isn't good enough for the NFL.
Anyway that's just me. I'm just talking stats though so take it for what it's worth. |
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khodder
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| apollo14000 wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | AZCardinalsFan wrote: | | I would go for a small school player. But not a later round project. He has to be able to play right away. Im assuming we are talking about Fales?? I took a quick look at his stats and they are pretty impressive. Much better than Skeltons or Lindleys were in college by far. |
Ryan Lindley college completion percentage: 55.5
John Skelton college completion percentage: 58.8
David Fales college completion percentage: 66.9
These guys are nothing alike. |
Fales hasn't had a single game under 65% either. That's incredible. Geno Smih has 3, albeit stronger competition but Fales played two great defenses too (Stanford and BYU)
Also I admit I haven't done my homework on Fales. Kinda assumed a 1 year starter would stay in school. The biggest knock some people have on him is his arm strength which they call average or whatever. I have a hard time believing a guy who throws 9.31 yards per attempt has an arm that isn't good enough for the NFL.
Anyway that's just me. I'm just talking stats though so take it for what it's worth. |
His biggest strengths right now are footwork, pocket feel, release and ball placement. His arm is good enough, not great, but good enough, he carries the ball like a loaf of bread in the pocket and that irks me a little bit, but if that is a reason for his quick release and ball placement then lets not try to reinvent the wheel unless sack fumbles really start to become an issue.
Fales has underrated athleticism too, there are games where he gets called QB runs.
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DJ_Fka
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Fales had 4635 yds and 37 tds in 2yrs at JC
Is one year on top of that at SJST enough?
Has good size though 6-3 220
I must admit i know nothing but the above about him |
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