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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Caldwell managing the offense? Laughing

My prayers are with you
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Laughing @ Colts fans insisting Caldwell can't do a job he never did for them.

This is some angry ex-gf ish if I ever saw it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Shean wrote:
Jim Caldwell managing the offense? Laughing

My prayers are with you


You should be praying Andrew "GOAT" Luck doesn't see us in the playoffs, or else it will be pick six city.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

diamondbull424 wrote:
RAVINGMADD wrote:
KiddKillah wrote:
Maybe we can draft differently too.

Hope we show interest in Tavon Austin now.

I like the way you think.

Well we can draft differently for a coordinator that may better utilize versatility in his routes.

But that being said, I think scouting offensive talent might be something we miss from Cam. Honestly, I think his expertise and experience played a big part in our ability to successfully scout both Flacco and Torrey. Sure our scouting department is as good as they come, but we've always struggled with selecting QB/WRs in the draft prior to Cam. I think Cam's insight into those particular positions came into handy.
I agree but also disagree, I guess. The time frame you mention, where we struggled with drafting QB and WR, was also the Brian Billick era. Which was a major factor in our rookie development at that time. Not to say Harbs deserves more credit than Cam but the difference in head coaching from one era to the next likely factors in too. The Billick-Harbaugh HC styles are completely different and ofcourse Billick notoriously had issues with any QBs our team could provide him, that was clearly evident.

Not to completely absolve Cam of any credit or diminish his role in our player development, but there just isn't enough there for me to buy into the notion that Cam was the expert who put us over the top. Especially given Cam's questionable track record at WR and QB too, notably Ted Ginn Jr. and John Beck.

However, we can be thankful that he didn't run our offense so far into the ground where we needed constant facelifts like in the Billick era. Though is was equally as painful to see such talent on offense season after season failing to be utilized properly Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DontTazeMeBro wrote:
Laughing @ Colts fans insisting Caldwell can't do a job he never did for them.

This is some angry ex-gf ish if I ever saw it.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Caldwell succeeds, but the decisions this guy makes is so mind-boggling.

I'm not really sure what role exactly he'll be filling, but I think his buffoonery will be felt in one way or another.

The timeouts vs the Jaguars and the Jets should have proved this man is borderline insane.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Shean wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
Laughing @ Colts fans insisting Caldwell can't do a job he never did for them.

This is some angry ex-gf ish if I ever saw it.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Caldwell succeeds, but the decisions this guy makes is so mind-boggling.

I'm not really sure what role exactly he'll be filling, but I think his buffoonery will be felt in one way or another.

The timeouts vs the Jaguars and the Jets should have proved this man is borderline insane.

Only he won't be operating in a HC capacity.

Caldwell will not have to deal with all of the extra stressors that come with being an NFL HC. He won't have to deal with replacing Manning with a 4th string QB on most other teams. He will be in an element that he has plenty of experience with- offense.

He's never called plays before, but he's had success installing plenty of offenses across many teams. He controlled the Penn State offense from 88-92' and built the Wake Forest offense in one that smashed team records. He had a large part in the up-tempo offense used in Indy as well.

So really Caldwell has operated in every capacity that an OC operates except playcaller. And with a QB that properly understands his offense- the QB can be the main playcaller. But I just think its ridiculous that Colts fans aren't even willing to give Caldwell a chance at something he's never done before. Sure he fell hard and looked incredibly unprepared as a HC, but at the same time... there have been many cases with coordinators where that has been the case only for them to prove to be really good as playcallers and scheme makers. Wade Phillips is a notable guy who failed as a HC but when allowed a more micro-perspective has thrived. Caldwell had a lot on his plate at HC in the year without Manning. But in the year with Manning, he led that squad to an undefeated start to the season. So clearly when he has had talent, he's gotten the job done in preparation.

He may bomb and be inept as a playcaller option, but he's had success at every level in multiple roles with offenses. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as if he were a young coach becoming a playcaller for the first time.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Shean wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
Laughing @ Colts fans insisting Caldwell can't do a job he never did for them.

This is some angry ex-gf ish if I ever saw it.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Caldwell succeeds, but the decisions this guy makes is so mind-boggling.

I'm not really sure what role exactly he'll be filling, but I think his buffoonery will be felt in one way or another.

The timeouts vs the Jaguars and the Jets should have proved this man is borderline insane.


Well then THANK FREAKING GOD we have a head coach to call the timeouts for us! Rolling Eyes
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SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
Tom Shean wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
Laughing @ Colts fans insisting Caldwell can't do a job he never did for them.

This is some angry ex-gf ish if I ever saw it.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Caldwell succeeds, but the decisions this guy makes is so mind-boggling.

I'm not really sure what role exactly he'll be filling, but I think his buffoonery will be felt in one way or another.

The timeouts vs the Jaguars and the Jets should have proved this man is borderline insane.


Well then THANK FREAKING GOD we have a head coach to call the timeouts for us! Rolling Eyes
Now we just need one that can manage them well. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ravens_rool28 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
Tom Shean wrote:
DontTazeMeBro wrote:
Laughing @ Colts fans insisting Caldwell can't do a job he never did for them.

This is some angry ex-gf ish if I ever saw it.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Caldwell succeeds, but the decisions this guy makes is so mind-boggling.

I'm not really sure what role exactly he'll be filling, but I think his buffoonery will be felt in one way or another.

The timeouts vs the Jaguars and the Jets should have proved this man is borderline insane.


Well then THANK FREAKING GOD we have a head coach to call the timeouts for us! Rolling Eyes
Now we just need one that can manage them well. Wink


Haha yeah good point, and someone who can manage challenges better.
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Watching the New England game last night made me think to myself, why aren't we running our offense the same way as them?

If we did I don't think I would be crazy in saying we could do it even better. I mean just look at our players to see how they would work in New England's offense. Now I'm not saying these players are as good as the other or as bad.

Boldin - Welker
Pitta - Hernandez
Lloyd - Smith
Woodhead- Rice
Ridley- Pierce
Doss - Edleman
Jones- Stallworth

You can't tell me we wouldn't excel in the short passing, audible at the line, NE offense.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You forgot the most important one.

Flacco - Brady

Now I think Flacco would do well in a system like that but not near the level Brady is able to operate that type of offense. More effective than than what the Ravens run now/under Cameron? Sure, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about seeing them "do it even better" than New England. No way.
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BareYourTeeth wrote:
Watching the New England game last night made me think to myself, why aren't we running our offense the same way as them?

If we did I don't think I would be crazy in saying we could do it even better. I mean just look at our players to see how they would work in New England's offense. Now I'm not saying these players are as good as the other or as bad.

Boldin - Welker
Pitta - Hernandez
Lloyd - Smith
Woodhead- Rice
Ridley- Pierce
Doss - Edleman
Jones- Stallworth

You can't tell me we wouldn't excel in the short passing, audible at the line, NE offense.


We absolutely would, even though Boldin is a poor-man's Welker, Pitta is a poor-mans Hernandez, and we have no Gronk on our roster.

But it all comes back to the scheme and coaching. That system has been in place forever now in New England, and you also have to have a VERY good offensive line, something we don't have.

But I do agree that Flacco would strive in Brady's offense, and he's shown that throughout his career that he can strive in a shotgun, no-huddle, quick passing attack that neutralizes the blitz.
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The only thing you have to do to stop the Patriots offense is play disciplined assignment defense and don't miss tackles. They'll get humbled against the 49ers. Not enough big play ability.
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The only thing you have to do to stop the Patriots offense is play disciplined assignment defense and don't miss tackles. They'll get humbled against the 49ers. Not enough big play ability.


Yeah, just take what Seattle did and replicate it. Make them drive down the field on you, and if you get a play for a loss, you HAVE to capitalize on it, and your pass rushers must remain hungry the entire game and not get complacent or frustrated because eventually they'll get there or Brady will force things into coverage.
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I've been reading a few of articles on Cam Cameron's firing and I've found a couple of interesting things. One was this
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Following Sundayís loss to the Redskins, Bernard Pollard threw an epic tantrum that included direct insults to players and the coaching staff. He, along with others on the defensive side of the ball, had been continually frustrated all season with Cameronís insistence on running the no-huddle offense which, at times, did nothing more than brought the defense back on the field after a quick 3-and-out from Flacco and his troops.

http://wnst.net/top-story/crabs-n-beer/cam-is-gone-a-story-about-the-owner-flacco-and-locker-room-unrest/3/

I don't know this guys track record and whether he should be trusted, but if its true, then wow.

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John's decision was an accumulation of personal issues between Cameron, quarterback Joe Flacco and the rest of the coaching staff, team sources have indicated.

In short, Cameron is a control freak. He has been for years. Ask people who were in Miami when he served as Dolphins head coach for just one season (2007) and you'll hear stories about how it was actually easier for people in the building to deal with Nick Saban than Cameron.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--keeping-qb-joe-flacco-happy-meant-the-ravens-had-to-get-rid-of-coordinator-cam-cameron-180838938.html
Shocked Given Saban's reputation for being a control freak that pushes people, I cant imagine that someone who doesn't get the results that Saban has would be tolerated all that well.
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