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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZPSquared wrote:
I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).


You know I still don't know how I feel about a STs coach coming in as the head man but John Harbaugh's been great for Baltimore and that's what he was, a STs coach. Maybe it's no big deal.
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AZPSquared wrote:
I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).


You know I still don't know how I feel about a STs coach coming in as the head man but John Harbaugh's been great for Baltimore and that's what he was, a STs coach. Maybe it's no big deal.


Yes but their offense is middle of the road and the team is carried by their defense (until this year). I dont get how their winning this yr since their offense is aveage and their defense bottom third in a lot of categories).
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stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).


You know I still don't know how I feel about a STs coach coming in as the head man but John Harbaugh's been great for Baltimore and that's what he was, a STs coach. Maybe it's no big deal.


Yes but their offense is middle of the road and the team is carried by their defense (until this year). I dont get how their winning this yr since their offense is aveage and their defense bottom third in a lot of categories).


It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.
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It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.


Look at last year though, Beat Philly by 4, Beat SF by 2, Beat Cleveland by 3, beat the Rams by 3, Beat Seattle by 3.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).


You know I still don't know how I feel about a STs coach coming in as the head man but John Harbaugh's been great for Baltimore and that's what he was, a STs coach. Maybe it's no big deal.


Yes but their offense is middle of the road and the team is carried by their defense (until this year). I dont get how their winning this yr since their offense is aveage and their defense bottom third in a lot of categories).



It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.


who's your top HC choice (besides Horton)? I heard you talking about Jay Gruden, but I think front offices will see he was arrested and turn away (myself included) because that doesnt set a good example for the team
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khodder wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.


Look at last year though, Beat Philly by 4, Beat SF by 2, Beat Cleveland by 3, beat the Rams by 3, Beat Seattle by 3.


Lost to Washington by 1, Baltimore by 3, Seattle by 3, New York Gaints by 4, Cincinnati by 7.
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AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).


You know I still don't know how I feel about a STs coach coming in as the head man but John Harbaugh's been great for Baltimore and that's what he was, a STs coach. Maybe it's no big deal.


Yes but their offense is middle of the road and the team is carried by their defense (until this year). I dont get how their winning this yr since their offense is aveage and their defense bottom third in a lot of categories).



It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.


who's your top HC choice (besides Horton)? I heard you talking about Jay Gruden, but I think front offices will see he was arrested and turn away (myself included) because that doesnt set a good example for the team


Horton's my top choice but besides him, I like Todd Haley. I'm ok being alone on that too, if that's the case.
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stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
I like Dave Toub. He's an interesting option, but he's a ST coach. If they were gonna go with anybody outside of Horton, I would want it to be an OC, but i do like him and would consider him (they run 4-3 in Chicago though, hopefull he wouldnt change that).


You know I still don't know how I feel about a STs coach coming in as the head man but John Harbaugh's been great for Baltimore and that's what he was, a STs coach. Maybe it's no big deal.


Yes but their offense is middle of the road and the team is carried by their defense (until this year). I dont get how their winning this yr since their offense is aveage and their defense bottom third in a lot of categories).



It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.


who's your top HC choice (besides Horton)? I heard you talking about Jay Gruden, but I think front offices will see he was arrested and turn away (myself included) because that doesnt set a good example for the team


Horton's my top choice but besides him, I like Todd Haley. I'm ok being alone on that too, if that's the case.


I agree with you on Haley. I think he adds a fiery attitude to the job. Whiz was too passive (until things got out of hand)
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Haley's got a lot of support in the front office and still has a lot of support in the locker room. Very popular with the fans in the Valley. Loves Arizona and would be happy here. He's been a 3-4 guy at almost every stop, I think that would stay (Maybe Ray too, if things go our way) and that's extremely important to me. Extremely important. Got a great track record with young WRs and our 2012 1st round pick was just that. Nice QB track record, got Cassell to look down right passable at times. He's done a PHENOMENAL job in Pittsburgh of tailoring his offense around his personnel, hiding his OL deficiencies with shorter pass routes and a solid run game. He's been a head coach before, he's been in the situations and knows how to handle it. Has lots of connections within the industry which would allow him the opportunity to put together a solid supporting coaching staff. I think he's got a great resume personally and he's my #2 choice.
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Lets say Todd Haley is the new HC, which QB does he draft?
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AZPSquared wrote:
Lets say Todd Haley is the new HC, which QB does he draft?


Excluding Geno I'd put my dough on Tyler Wilson.
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So my choices for HC are as follows (besides Horton):

Todd Haley
Kyle Shanahan
Dave Toub
Bruce Arians
Mike McCoy
Jon Gruden
Tom Clements


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stchamp98 wrote:
khodder wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
It hasn't been pretty certainly but finding a way to win is an indictment of the head coach. We're a prime example. Lose to Buffalo by 3, lose to the Jets by 1, lose the Atlanta by 2-3 whatever it was. Trade those 3 close losses into wins and we're 7-6 right now. Changes everything. Whiz doesn't have 1 foot out the door right now if we're 7-6, I can tell you that right now.


Look at last year though, Beat Philly by 4, Beat SF by 2, Beat Cleveland by 3, beat the Rams by 3, Beat Seattle by 3.


Lost to Washington by 1, Baltimore by 3, Seattle by 3, New York Gaints by 4, Cincinnati by 7.


Just pointing out that we have gone both ways and over his career here (Prior to this season) Whis had a very much positive W/L record in games decided by 7 or less. This season seems to have evened that out a bit.
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Oregon has Nike money

We do not.

Philly has money and they have to compete against Dallas, Skins and Giants, they need to win more than we do, if that makes sense.

Kelly is going somewhere if they give him the keys to the whole show, Philly might not do that.

Oakland might though, what about SD?
Nike has 0 to do with Chip leaving for the NFL. He is paid good money at Oregon. he wants to coach the best players in the world have play a man's game of Chess with the big boys. The challenge is what Chip wants.
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