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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If your point is that you wouldn't draft Jevon Kearse, you should stop making points.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why some people are saying he's too small to be a DE in the 4-3. I think there's plenty of good 4-3 DEs who weigh around 240-250 lbs..
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know why some people are saying he's too small to be a DE in the 4-3. I think there's plenty of good 4-3 DEs who weigh around 240-250 lbs..

Plus, it's not like he couldn't add a few pounds with professional training (he has the frame to easily add weight, imo). Yeah, I'd be really happy with Jordan in the 1st. I think I even prefer him over someone like Damontre Moore, since I see more athletic potential in Jordan when I watch him. Moore is good, don't get me wrong, but I personally see more potential from Dion Jordan.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DawgX wrote:
I don't know why some people are saying he's too small to be a DE in the 4-3. I think there's plenty of good 4-3 DEs who weigh around 240-250 lbs..

Plus, it's not like he couldn't add a few pounds with professional training (he has the frame to easily add weight, imo). Yeah, I'd be really happy with Jordan in the 1st. I think I even prefer him over someone like Damontre Moore, since I see more athletic potential in Jordan when I watch him. Moore is good, don't get me wrong, but I personally see more potential from Dion Jordan.


Couldn't have said it better myself
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jordan may be more athletic, but having watched the tape of these two guys rushing the passer, right now I like Moore a bit better.

I feel like Jordan doesn't really utilize moves that much and instead his athleticism.

That could be a problem in the pros.

Though, if he adds bulk and is coached properly, he could be a boss.

We won't be able to take Moore anyway, so I guess this is pointless lol
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
Jordan may be more athletic, but having watched the tape of these two guys rushing the passer, right now I like Moore a bit better.

I feel like Jordan doesn't really utilize moves that much and instead his athleticism.

That could be a problem in the pros.

Though, if he adds bulk and is coached properly, he could be a boss.

We won't be able to take Moore anyway, so I guess this is pointless lol


I feel like he hasnt used them becasue he has not had to use them, I by no means feel like he is coming to the NFL a product ready to go, but atleast all his faults can be coached
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Here is my 1st set of pass rusher rankings from preseason. I had Dion Jordan listed all the way down at #12.

My point is I saw a skinny 6'7 243 pounder too and thought the exact same things as some of you. I thought no way he can defend the run and beat OTs with power. I also saw his 5.5 and 7.5 sacks and thought we'll he must not be a great pass rusher either. Instead of just writing him off like some people I watched him anyway and I saw a man who is a much better run defender than some guys 30 pounds heavier than him. I saw a pass rusher who was truely a very good pass rusher who simply didn't get as many oppurtunites as the guys going for 15+.

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KamTrus20 Top 50 draft eligible pass rushers as of 9/10.

1. #44 Jackson Jeffcoat DE/LB Texas 6'5 245 Jr.
2. #95 Bjourn Werner DE Florida State 6'4 255 Jr.
3. #29 Jarvis Jones DE/LB Georgia 6'3 241 Jr.
4. #99 Sam Montgomery DE LSU 6'5 260 Jr.
5. #80 Alex Okafor DE Texas 6'4 265 Sr.
6. #55 Corey Lemonier DE/LB Auburn 6'4 246 Jr.
7. #49 Barkevious Mingo DE/LB LSU 6'5 240 Jr.
8. #4 Brandon Jenkins DE/LB Florida State 6'3 260 Sr.
9. #98 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina 6'8 269 Sr.
10. #2 William Gholston DE Michigan State 6'7 278 Jr.
11. #8 Jamie Collins DE/LB Southern Miss 6'3 239 Sr.
12. #96 Dion Jordan DE Oregon 6'7 243 Sr.
13. #11 R.J. Washington DE Oklahoma 6'3 256 Sr.
14. #94 Damontre Moore DE/LB Texas A&M 6'4 250 Jr.
15. #7 Ronald Powell DE/LB Florida 6'4 244
16. #54 John Simon DE Ohio State 6'2 269 Sr.
17. #95 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6'6 240 Sr.
18. #7 Marquis Jackson DE Portland State 6'4 260 Sr.
19. #91 David Bass DE Missouri Western 6'5 275 Sr.
20. #95 Kareem Martin DE North Carolina 6'6 260 Jr.
21. #93 Quanterus Smith DE Western Kentucky 6'5 249 Sr.
22. #3 Kyle Van Noy DE/LB BYU 6'3 235 Jr.
23. #48 Trevado Williams DE/LB UCONN 6'2 233 Sr.
24. #93 Cory Dorris DE Tulsa 6'4 260 Sr.
25. #2 Will Davis DE/LB Kansas State 6'2 240 Jr.
26. #42 Meshak Williams DE Kansas State 6'3 245 Sr.
27. #43 Travis Johnson DE/LB San Jose St. 6'3 244 Sr.
28. #54 Walter Stewart DE Cincinnati 6'5 249 Sr.
29. #35 Toben Opurum DE/LB Kansas 6'1 250 Sr.
30. #34 Cameron Meredith DE Nebraska 6'4 260 Sr.
31. #99 James Gayle DE Virginia Tech 6'4 269 Jr.
32. #42 J.R. Collins DE Virginia Tech 6'2 261 Jr.
33. #42 Devon Kennard DE USC 6'3 260 Sr.
34. #90 Stansly Mapongo DE TCU 6'2 265 Jr.
35. #92 Armonty Bryant DE East Central 6'4 250 Sr.
36. #89 Travis Long DE/LB Washington State 6'4 245 Sr.
37. #83 Cornellius Washington DE Georgia 6'4 268 Sr.
38. #55 Jacques Smith DE/LB Tennessee 6'2 244 Jr.
39. #58 Robert Maci DE Purdue 6'4 249 Sr.
40. #84 Kenny Anunike DE Duke 6'5 260 Sr.
41. #89 Lavar Edwards DE LSU 6'5 258 Sr.
42. #91 Marcus Smith DE Louisville 6'3 252 Jr.
43. #43 Nathan Williams DE Ohio State 6'3 249 Sr.
44. #96 Wes Horton DE USC 6'5 255 Sr.
45. #95 D.L. White DE Minnesota 6'3 244 Sr.
46. #97 Aaron Donald DE Pittsburgh 6'0 275 Sr.
47. #56 Dantone Jones DE UCLA 6'4 275 Sr.
48. #99 Dan Giordano DE Cincinnati 6'4 260 Sr.
49. #99 Joe Kruger DE Utah 6'7 280 Jr.
50. #97 Malliciah Goodman DE Clemson 6'4 280 Sr.
51. #22 Thretton Palamo DE/LB Utah 6'2 250 Jr. (I added an extra just for Horby because I read this guy was and international Rugby star)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
Jordan may be more athletic, but having watched the tape of these two guys rushing the passer, right now I like Moore a bit better.

I feel like Jordan doesn't really utilize moves that much and instead his athleticism.

That could be a problem in the pros.

Though, if he adds bulk and is coached properly, he could be a boss.

We won't be able to take Moore anyway, so I guess this is pointless lol


Again?

I have already shown video evidence of him using a swim, rip, speed to power bull rush, and an inside spin move.

Just because he doesn't do it every play doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to use multiple moves.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
Jordan may be more athletic, but having watched the tape of these two guys rushing the passer, right now I like Moore a bit better.

I feel like Jordan doesn't really utilize moves that much and instead his athleticism.

That could be a problem in the pros.

Though, if he adds bulk and is coached properly, he could be a boss.

We won't be able to take Moore anyway, so I guess this is pointless lol


Again?

I have already shown video evidence of him using a swim, rip, speed to power bull rush, and an inside spin move.

Just because he doesn't do it every play doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to use multiple moves.


Maybe I just haven't seen it enough.

It's not even whether he has the moves or not. What worries me is trying to get by on pure athleticism. Sure he can be taught to get away from that, but it's not a guarantee. Remember how Kam never learned more moves or when to use them? Wink

I'm not against taking him by any means, just showing my concern in certain aspects.
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I'm not concerned about him using or improving pass rushing moves at all. He has used each and every one of those moves I lised several times over the last 3 years. I mean I foudn all those moves I listed in just 2 games and he has played over 30 games at DE. And there is no concern of him learning to do it right as he is one of the most coachable and hardworking players in this draft.

I understand no prospect is a perfect prospect but I feel like those hating on Dion Jordan are picking at the wrong things(No pass rushing moves, cannot anchor against the run, and relying solely on athletic ability).

My biggest concern with him is knowing when he is getting up field too far. I have seen numerous times where he runs himself out of the play because he gets up field too far. In the NFL QBs know when to get up into the pocket. I have seen a few times where he has circled back or put his foot in the ground and came hard inside but he doesn't do it often enough at this point. So I would agree that I would like to see him develope some kind of inside counter other than his spin. Although, when perfected the spin is money ala Freeney. We already have a DE on the team with this getting up field too far problem with Sheard IMO.

Another concern for me would be the Aaron Maybin problem of no matter how hard he tried he could never keep weight on. I know it seems like it wouldn't be that hard but I have a friend who has the exact same problem. The guy is a 6'4 170 pound bean pole on a high protein diet, eats like 7 meals a day and still cannot gain weight. I don't know if Dion Jordan would have that problem or not but that is a problem you cannot predict. So yes weight gain would be a slight concern for me if we would to playing him as a DE.

There are some very important things you cannot coach in any player and Dion Jordan has a lot of those traits.

1. Great leader - on and off the field
2. Size - at 6'7 243 not many pass rushers get bigger
3. Speed - the guy runs like a 215 pound DB.
4. Work ethic - not many out work Dion
5. Coachability - those things you can coach up event he best coaches cannot get through to players who don't accept the coaching.

I think we beat Washington and/or Pittsburgh and the Dion Jordan arguement is dead anyway. He is my favorite prospect in the draft and going to be a versitile weapon for any defense that lands him, however, at this point the Browns cannot afford to trade up that high to get any player leaving even a trade up for him out of the arguement.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kam asked me to do a right up on Jordon. And to be honest, up til this point I haven't watched much of the guy. But He may be a front runner for a top pick by the Browns this draft. Here's what I had to say.

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- His in-line speed, snap recognition, first step, Flexibility, quickness, and COD skills are off the charts. A rare athlete at his size.

- Hand usage is very good, in both pass rush and run stop. Keeps arms extended and moving.

- Shows a very good rip/rip and dip move. Isn't "just a speed" guy. Shows a inside counter move sometimes. Shows a bullrush, but it needs some work. When it fails, he goes for a inside spin. Variety is there in his moves, but they need some work. also does a good job at running the arc without running past the QB. Noticed several times when at the point of running out of the play, he countered back to the inside.

- Surprised at how much he covered the slot WR. Coaches must have a ton of faith in him.

- Pass/Run recognition is excellent. Shows a very good football IQ.

- Gets off blocks very well. Using mostly his arms. Doesn't bury his shoulder into a blocker.

- Plays containment very well. Keeps his position and plays team defense. I love seeing this from a college player.

-Moves around the field, but primarily lines up against the LT. Hate it when a college team puts the "best" pass rusher over the RT all the time (Werner)

- Displays great hustle. A "to the whistle" kind of guy.

- He does a great job with playing with good leverage, especially for a man his size. When coming out of his stance he displays a low center of gravity, extended arms that reach to the inside of a defender, and attacks. However, when that doesn't work right away and he loses at the POA, he stands up and gets out of his stance. Most notably when trying to bull rush, or in the run game. Especially on a in-line block.

-The other key thing I noticed that is a not going to cut it in the NFL is his either inability, or lack of effort at trying to go through someone. Almost every play, he tries to go around, and does a great job at it. He's going to have to go man-to-man in the NFL and physically beat his guy at times. Right now, he just doesn't do that.

I think he might actually be a better fit at 43 DE b/c of his short area quickness. I've always felt that 34 OLB lose that advantage to some degree. He needs to refine his pass rush moves, but they are there. Needs to maintain leverage. Could stand to gain about 15-20 lbs. His potential is through the roof, and he knows what he is doing.

NFL comparison- Jason Peirre-Paul, Jason Taylor.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131332/dion-jordan

Oregon senior OLB Dion Jordan will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum, according to SI's Tony Pauline.

Drops him down to border line 1st rounder as 34 OLB. Most Likely out of the top 25 IMO.
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DawgSoldier wrote:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131332/dion-jordan

Oregon senior OLB Dion Jordan will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum, according to SI's Tony Pauline.

Drops him down to border line 1st rounder as 34 OLB. Most Likely out of the top 25 IMO.


I'm not about to get into a Dion arguement with you again because its clear you have blind hate for the guy, but I will say that there have been numerous players in the NFL who have played with a torn labrum and been fine once it was fixed. There are 2 pass rushers off the top of my head this year alone in DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen.

I will agree it may drop his stock a little bit if he cannot workout in the pre draft process, but I would be the farm he is still a Top 15 pick.
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DawgSoldier wrote:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131332/dion-jordan

Oregon senior OLB Dion Jordan will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum, according to SI's Tony Pauline.

Drops him down to border line 1st rounder as 34 OLB. Most Likely out of the top 25 IMO.


How long would this injury sideline him???

Would he be ready by start of season? If so, i don't know why it should drop him that far.
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KamTrus20 wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131332/dion-jordan

Oregon senior OLB Dion Jordan will undergo surgery to repair a torn labrum, according to SI's Tony Pauline.

Drops him down to border line 1st rounder as 34 OLB. Most Likely out of the top 25 IMO.


I'm not about to get into a Dion arguement with you again because its clear you have blind hate for the guy, but I will say that there have been numerous players in the NFL who have played with a torn labrum and been fine once it was fixed. There are 2 pass rushers off the top of my head this year alone in DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen.

I will agree it may drop his stock a little bit if he cannot workout in the pre draft process, but I would be the farm he is still a Top 15 pick.


So we differ on 10 spots on draft ranking due to injury. I am not sure that is really a disagreement as much as it is a margin of error.

I don't hat the guy as a 34 linebacker. But as a rule the idea spending a 1st rounder on a player with a significant injury makes me just say no.

BTW I consider a torn labrum a serius injury.
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