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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redskins24-7 wrote:
Woz wrote:
canadaluvsdalla wrote:
UPDATE: If it is a three way division tie for 9-7 Cowboys win the NFC East


How so? Per NFL.com's tiebreaker page, a three way tie is broken first:
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Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

If the Redskins beat Dallas but lose to Philly, Dallas is out:
DAL: NYG-W, NYG-L, WAS-L, WAS-L = 1-3
NYG: DAL-L, WAS-W, DAL-W, WAS-L = 2-2
WAS: NYG-L, NYG-W, DAL-W, DAL-W = 3-1 <<


If we flip it (PHI W, DAL L), then all three are 2-2 amongst each other. The second tiebreaker:
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Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

DAL = 3-3
NYG = 2-4 or 3-3 (the Eagles game doesn't really matter for the purposes of this conversation; it matters a lot for wild card considerations)
WAS = 4-2 <<


Dallas would be 4-2 in the division, Woz. The next tiebreaker is common games, which Dallas owns over us. Simply enough, if we don't beat Dallas week 17, we ain't winning the division.


Ah ... basic arithmetic fails me yet again.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we clinch a wild card spot week 16 if...
1. Washington defeat Philadelphia
2. New York loses to Baltimore
3. Chicago loses to Arizona
4. Minnesota loses to Houston.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this! I've done pretty much every scenario on the scenario playoff machine. I cannot find a way where we don't make it in, regardless of what Dallas or Seattle do the next 2 weeks.


Well I will definitely be rooting for the Ravens, Cardinals, and Texans week.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2. New York loses to Baltimore
3. Chicago loses to Arizona
4. Minnesota loses to Houston.


In this case, we would have the tiebreaker advantage over the Giants (head-to-head tie -> better division record), Chicago (no head-to-head matchup -> better conference record), and Minnesota (head-to-head victory). All three of these teams would have 8-7 records with a ceiling of 9-7.

So, yes, it seems your supposition holds.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Redskins24-7 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we clinch a wild card spot week 16 if...
1. Washington defeat Philadelphia
2. New York loses to Baltimore
3. Chicago loses to Arizona
4. Minnesota loses to Houston.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this! I've done pretty much every scenario on the scenario playoff machine. I cannot find a way where we don't make it in, regardless of what Dallas or Seattle do the next 2 weeks.


Well I will definitely be rooting for the Ravens, Cardinals, and Texans week.


Also, we should be rooting for the 49ers since we can still catch the Seahawks should we lose the NFC East. Also... I can't believe I'm saying this, but we should also be rooting for the Cowboys. Don't kill me for saying this!!! The reason I am... well... is because IF we lose to them week 17, we WANT them to win the division. I've done numerous scenarios on the playoff machine (seriously, I'm addicted to this thing!) where if Dallas wins and gets to 10-6, we have ANY tiebreak over ANY team at 9-7. Yet if we LOSE to the Cowboys and the Giants win the division, we're screwed. The only possibility of us making the playoffs if the Giants win the division is Dallas beating the Saints, the Seahawks losing twice, AND BOTH the Bears and Vikings losing once. The possibilities are numerous if Dallas goes 10-6, we go 9-7, and the Giants DON'T go 10-6.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, if the Bears, Giants, vikings, and ourselves, all go 1-1 over the next two games, we are locked into the Wildcard.

I would prefer to just win the next two games and lock up the division =]
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, if the Bears, Giants, vikings, and ourselves, all go 1-1 over the next two games, we are locked into the Wildcard.

I would prefer to just win the next two games and lock up the division =]
same here blknite01. I was reading through the last page of posts and I thought.... Just win baby!! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an article explaining how we clinch a wild card spot with a win this weekend.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/12/nfl-confirms-redskins-can-clinch-wild-card-on-sunday.html

Only unrealistic thing is the Bears losing to the Cardinals.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blknite01 wrote:
Yes, if the Bears, Giants, vikings, and ourselves, all go 1-1 over the next two games, we are locked into the Wildcard.

I would prefer to just win the next two games and lock up the division =]


What I was thinking the whole time too Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the beautiful playoff format on nfl.com. It has the playoff games as of now!!!! Looks great with us as,the only nfc east team in it! Check it out!!!
http://www.nfl.com/m/playoffs/playoff-picture
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/12/19/redskins-chances-of-a-playoff-berth-now-stand-at-71/


Redskins have a 71% chance of making the playoffs. Cool

If Redskins' win Sunday and the Giants' lose, it gives us Washington the inside track to win the division and puts our playoff chances to about 71%. If the Giants lose it means that winning the last two games guarantees we would win the NFC East.

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The fourth seed is by far the most likely landing spot in that case, but a very slight chance at the third seed remains. That's not bad for a team whose head coach appeared to give up on the season after a week 9 loss that put its playoff chances at 5%.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Need to win next week and root for a New Orleans and Ravens win in their games. Not gonna say what happens if that happens, but ...ya know...


The playoff tiebreakers have changed, so there's no way we can lock the division until week 17, so the superstition isnt' needed.

The old tiebreaker rules would have made it possible because conference record was held in higher regard than common opponents. Now it's common opponents as the 3rd tiebreaker and Dallas has us by 1 in common opponents even if they lose to NO and we beat the Eagles.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinsfanLA wrote:
so the superstition isnt' needed.


IT'S ALWAYS NEEDED!!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone break down our playoff chance if we lose next week?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THESKINSFAN21 wrote:
Can someone break down our playoff chance if we lose next week?


With the way the Seatlle game is going I believe we'd need Chicago to lose to Detroit and Minny to lose to Green Bay to get a wild card.

I'm hearing around twitter we've been flexed to Sunday night so if that's the case we'd know if we're in or not before kickoff.
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THESKINSFAN21 wrote:
Can someone break down our playoff chance if we lose next week?


With the way the Seatlle game is going I believe we'd need Chicago to lose to Detroit and Minny to lose to Green Bay to get a wild card.

I'm hearing around twitter we've been flexed to Sunday night so if that's the case we'd know if we're in or not before kickoff.

Shocked Man,I dont see Chicago losing that one. Dallas is going to be extremely tough. We are REALLY going to need the fedex crowd to be loud!!!!!!! Its going to be an exciting game. With the opportunity of a playoff home game you have to think this game will have a playoff atmosphere. The crowd will likely consist of plenty of cowboys fans though. Sad
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