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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually think Josh McDaniels might be a good option in Minnesota...

He is one of the elite offensive minds in the NFL, he just clearly does not understand roster management. On a team with a true GM who can handle all the roster moves and McDaniels can focus on X's and O's, I think he could be very successful.
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[UMN] wrote:
I actually think Josh McDaniels might be a good option in Minnesota...

He is one of the elite offensive minds in the NFL, he just clearly does not understand roster management. On a team with a true GM who can handle all the roster moves and McDaniels can focus on X's and O's, I think he could be very successful.


Do not get Uncle Buck excited. A McDaniels / Tebow reunion!
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How likely is Frazier to be released? Where the first 5 games enough to save him or will these next 4 games decide his fate.
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How likely is Frazier to be released? Where the first 5 games enough to save him or will these next 4 games decide his fate.

I think if we lose out he is gone. especially after blowing a 14-0 lead in this game.
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How likely is Frazier to be released? Where the first 5 games enough to save him or will these next 4 games decide his fate.

Now that we have beated Chicago, I think he's safe. I can't say the same for Musgrave however.

Any chance Musgrave is relieved of his coordinator duties, but retained as the quarterbacks coach?
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LostRoadStone wrote:
Lil Uno wrote:
How likely is Frazier to be released? Where the first 5 games enough to save him or will these next 4 games decide his fate.

Now that we have beated Chicago, I think he's safe. I can't say the same for Musgrave however.

Any chance Musgrave is relieved of his coordinator duties, but retained as the quarterbacks coach?


Why as qb coach? That seems to be the weakness.

Frazier is safe now.
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Don't understand the rush to get rid of Musgrave. It's pretty damn clear they don't have faith in the QB to function in a full offense. Meanwhile, Adrian is having his best season to date and Percy was well on his way to do the same prior to the injury.

Vitriol from some is very much misplaced.
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^^ Agreed.

It is hard to blame the OC when the QB and WR's are both incompetent.
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^^ Agreed.

It is hard to blame the OC when the QB and WR's are both incompetent.


That's his job. To make them better. Is he doing that? It's easy to be the OC when you have great players. You learn a lot about coaches in situations like this. What did he do today to make you think he can design an offense?
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^^ Agreed.

It is hard to blame the OC when the QB and WR's are both incompetent.

Because when I watch the plays and see wide receivers running routes directly on top of each other, wide receivers running routes that bunch them up in the middle of the field, instead of spreading out. I have to question the design of the passing plays. Maybe the answer is finding a passing game coordinator, to help Musgrave.


How long is George Stewart going to keep his job? This guy has been the receivers coach for 6 years now, and, other than 2009, our receivers have been nothing but a problem. Have any receivers developed under him?
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PrplChilPill wrote:
[UMN] wrote:
^^ Agreed.

It is hard to blame the OC when the QB and WR's are both incompetent.


That's his job. To make them better. Is he doing that? It's easy to be the OC when you have great players. You learn a lot about coaches in situations like this. What did he do today to make you think he can design an offense?


At this point, I don't think anybody knows what exactly Ponder can perform well at a NFL level. Given that and a poor WR grouping that's laid out in front of him, that's an extremely tough task.

I'd venture a guess that at this point more than 3/4ths off the offense is completely thrown out given Harvin is down for the year and Ponder's complete inability to throw an accurate ball to any part of the field over 15 yards. You can say Musgrave has to find something that needs to work out; to me he's doing the only real viable thing he can. Hand the ball off to Adrian.
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LostRoadStone wrote:
How long is George Stewart going to keep his job? This guy has been the receivers coach for 6 years now, and, other than 2009, our receivers have been nothing but a problem. Have any receivers developed under him?


Percy Harvin.
Sidney Rice.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
LostRoadStone wrote:
How long is George Stewart going to keep his job? This guy has been the receivers coach for 6 years now, and, other than 2009, our receivers have been nothing but a problem. Have any receivers developed under him?


Percy Harvin.
Sidney Rice.


Both were high picks and extremely talented players, with higher expectations. Was it Stewart's efforts that developed these two or are they simply just good players.
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vikingsrule wrote:
Klomp wrote:
LostRoadStone wrote:
How long is George Stewart going to keep his job? This guy has been the receivers coach for 6 years now, and, other than 2009, our receivers have been nothing but a problem. Have any receivers developed under him?


Percy Harvin.
Sidney Rice.


Both were high picks and extremely talented players, with higher expectations. Was it Stewart's efforts that developed these two or are they simply just good players.


Similarly, beyond that he's had nothing but the bottom of the barrel.
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Klomp wrote:
LostRoadStone wrote:
How long is George Stewart going to keep his job? This guy has been the receivers coach for 6 years now, and, other than 2009, our receivers have been nothing but a problem. Have any receivers developed under him?


Percy Harvin.
Sidney Rice.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Rice improved dramatically once he began working out with Larry Fitzgerald in the offseason.

And can you honestly say that Harvin has developed? What does Harvin do now, that he didn't do when he got into the league? Harvin was a weapon when he got in the league and he's still a weapon, but has he improved as a receiver?

We haven't exactly used many draft picks on receivers, but when you go around the league and look at a number of teams that find receivers in the late rounds and develop them. These receivers are then at least competent enough and capable enough to run a route, catch a pass, and provide something of use. Can you say the same about the receivers we've drafted in the later rounds?
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