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PrplChilPill
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I would like a more creative DC, one who changed things up every once in a while.
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SteelKing728
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| PrplChilPill wrote: | | I would like a more creative DC, one who changed things up every once in a while. |
and you do that with versatile players, right?
We have probably 2 guys on that entire defensive unit that could play multiple positions: Brian Robison and Everson Griffen.
I look at the Giants unit, and you see Linebackers, Safeties and Defensive Ends that can move all around when that team is healthy. They can be versatile because they have the talent to do so. Same with New England.
I agree I'd like to see more creativity as well, but you can only do so much with what you have.
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | PrplChilPill wrote: | | I would like a more creative DC, one who changed things up every once in a while. |
and you do that with versatile players, right?
We have probably 2 guys on that entire defensive unit that could play multiple positions: Brian Robison and Everson Griffen.
I look at the Giants unit, and you see Linebackers, Safeties and Defensive Ends that can move all around when that team is healthy. They can be versatile because they have the talent to do so. Same with New England.
I agree I'd like to see more creativity as well, but you can only do so much with what you have. |
In the front 7, sure. Not in the secondary. The Vikings have several players who could play multiple positions. Winfield at inside or outside CB. Cook could probably play both. Robinson could probably both. Jefferson has played both. Blanton is moving from CB to S. Raymond moved from CB to S. Harrison Smith can play in the box, in deep halves and as a single deep Safety.
despite the Giants versatiliy, there defense has not been that good by the numbers. Sure they get a ton of pressure, but they also give up a ton of big plays. |
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rpmwr19
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like a defensive coordinator who makes adjustments...
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thestonedkoala
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Two things;
1) It's always hard to get a bearing on Dallas coaches kind of like old Oakland Raider coaches, so I take everything with Dallas with a grain of salt.
2) I still think Mike Zimmer would be an interesting coach. Might rub people the wrong way but he is accountable. |
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PurpleMugen
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | despite the Giants versatiliy, there defense has not been that good by the numbers. Sure they get a ton of pressure, but they also give up a ton of big plays. |
The thing is, all things considered, I would rather have this type of defense than the "bend but don't break" kind we are used to seeing here in Minny. I don't think a defense has to be a rock-solid, suffocating unit throughout to be championship-caliber; I think it has to be extremely opportunistic, forcing turnovers and turning them into good field position and/or points despite giving up big plays here and there. The champion Saints and Packers are great examples of this style of defense. That is my take on it.
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vikingsrule
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | despite the Giants versatiliy, there defense has not been that good by the numbers. Sure they get a ton of pressure, but they also give up a ton of big plays. |
The thing is, all things considered, I would rather have this type of defense than the "bend but don't break" kind we are used to seeing here in Minny. I don't think a defense has to be a rock-solid, suffocating unit throughout to be championship-caliber; I think it has to be extremely opportunistic, forcing turnovers and turning them into good field position and/or points despite giving up big plays here and there. The champion Saints and Packers are great examples of this style of defense. That is my take on it. |
Basically, you are right. Its hard to find a defense that does everything well. Giving up yards really isnt that big of a deal if a defense is more inept to creating turnovers and rattling QBs. Defenses like the Ravens of 2000 are very rare, who did everything well. I think in todays NFL, teams will rack up yardage however, creating turnovers and big plays is usually more valued if you have an offense who can put points on the board.
The reason why the Saints and Packers defense was so effective for the offense is that they gave the offense more opportunities.
The bend but dont break strategy does not bother me if it prevents teams from scoring Tds and settling for TDs. However, you have to have an offense that will score TDs regularly, and that really hasnt been the case for MN this year. |
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| this providence wrote: | | All I know is that it'd be foolish, in my opinion, to go with another guy who's never been a head coach at any sort of meaningful level... |
Other than Bill Belicheck, which coaches have been Head Coaches on another team, then became successful somewhere else as a head coach? It just doesn't happen.
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husker_vikes3
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| LostRoadStone wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | All I know is that it'd be foolish, in my opinion, to go with another guy who's never been a head coach at any sort of meaningful level... |
Other than Bill Belicheck, which coaches have been Head Coaches on another team, then became successful somewhere else as a head coach? It just doesn't happen. |
I'm assuming you're talking exclusively pro football?
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LostRoadStone
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| husker_vikes3 wrote: | | LostRoadStone wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | All I know is that it'd be foolish, in my opinion, to go with another guy who's never been a head coach at any sort of meaningful level... |
Other than Bill Belicheck, which coaches have been Head Coaches on another team, then became successful somewhere else as a head coach? It just doesn't happen. |
I'm assuming you're talking exclusively pro football? |
Yes.
Most coaches get one shot at being a head coach, when they fail, they go back to being a coordinator. And the majority of the ones who have been given a second chance, fail a second time.
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husker_vikes3
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| LostRoadStone wrote: | | husker_vikes3 wrote: | | LostRoadStone wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | All I know is that it'd be foolish, in my opinion, to go with another guy who's never been a head coach at any sort of meaningful level... |
Other than Bill Belicheck, which coaches have been Head Coaches on another team, then became successful somewhere else as a head coach? It just doesn't happen. |
I'm assuming you're talking exclusively pro football? |
Yes.
Most coaches get one shot at being a head coach, when they fail, they go back to being a coordinator. And the majority of the ones who have been given a second chance, fail a second time. |
Granted it was about 10 years apart but Pete Carroll was head coach of New England, went to college then is now a fairly successful head coach in Seattle.
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Klomp
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| LostRoadStone wrote: | | husker_vikes3 wrote: | | LostRoadStone wrote: |
Other than Bill Belicheck, which coaches have been Head Coaches on another team, then became successful somewhere else as a head coach? It just doesn't happen. |
I'm assuming you're talking exclusively pro football? |
Yes.
Most coaches get one shot at being a head coach, when they fail, they go back to being a coordinator. And the majority of the ones who have been given a second chance, fail a second time. |
Tony Dungy and Tom Coughlin come to mind
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thestonedkoala
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| John Fox is another one. |
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Swaps
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Ya know... Sean Payton is still in limbo...
just sayin' 
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| Swaps wrote: | Ya know... Sean Payton is still in limbo...
just sayin' |
He wont be leaving the Saints, and if he does it will be for the Cowboys, which I am sure Jerry Jones would make happen. Payton actually lives in Dallas and has spoken about keeping his family there, so i cant imagine him leaving New Orleans and if another team came calling, Dallas would make perfect sense to pull the trigger.
Which would open up the opportunitiy to bring in Jason Garrett as an OC. |
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