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| AlonzoHarris wrote: | | Barkey88 wrote: | | So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job? |
Seems like it's between Tom Telesco, vice president of football operations of the Colts and Jimmy Raye III, who's our current director of player personnel.
People speculate that Telesco would bring Bruce Arians to be head coach of the Chargers if he were to become the General Manager.
IMO, Lovie Smith probably won't be a strong candidate for us. The team will be looking for a guy who's an offensive specialist, besides Lovie uses a 4-3 scheme which doesn't fit the current players on the defense (though, I believe sometimes the importance of this is a little overplayed by some, Rivera also used the 4-3 wth the Bears but had great success in the 3-4 of the Chargers) |
Lovie would have some Tampa 2 pieces to work with.... if it weren't for the fact that it is pretty clear Pags is going to stay and run the 3-4.
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| AlonzoHarris wrote: | | Barkey88 wrote: | | So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job? |
Seems like it's between Tom Telesco, vice president of football operations of the Colts and Jimmy Raye III, who's our current director of player personnel.
People speculate that Telesco would bring Bruce Arians to be head coach of the Chargers if he were to become the General Manager.
IMO, Lovie Smith probably won't be a strong candidate for us. The team will be looking for a guy who's an offensive specialist, besides Lovie uses a 4-3 scheme which doesn't fit the current players on the defense (though, I believe sometimes the importance of this is a little overplayed by some, Rivera also used the 4-3 wth the Bears but had great success in the 3-4 of the Chargers) |
Thank you sir! I'm not sure how I feel on Telesco(esp if he bring Arians) so we will have to see how that plays out. And who does that really leave us with as far as HC? Seeing as they probably won't bring somebody from the college level, if Arians doesn't get the job and it's not Smith then who? |
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| Barkey88 wrote: | | AlonzoHarris wrote: | | Barkey88 wrote: | | So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job? |
Seems like it's between Tom Telesco, vice president of football operations of the Colts and Jimmy Raye III, who's our current director of player personnel.
People speculate that Telesco would bring Bruce Arians to be head coach of the Chargers if he were to become the General Manager.
IMO, Lovie Smith probably won't be a strong candidate for us. The team will be looking for a guy who's an offensive specialist, besides Lovie uses a 4-3 scheme which doesn't fit the current players on the defense (though, I believe sometimes the importance of this is a little overplayed by some, Rivera also used the 4-3 wth the Bears but had great success in the 3-4 of the Chargers) |
Thank you sir! I'm not sure how I feel on Telesco(esp if he bring Arians) so we will have to see how that plays out. And who does that really leave us with as far as HC? Seeing as they probably won't bring somebody from the college level, if Arians doesn't get the job and it's not Smith then who? |
There's plenty of options out there and good ones too. Acee hit on it, we've done one pseudo-interview and that was really just Dean and Ron Wolf (and John might have been there too) having dinner with Doug Marrone because Marrone was on the verge of agreeing to be the Bills' HC - basically he was someone who "intrigued" them and they wanted to see if that interest was enough to prompt them to quick movement and trying to head Buffalo off at the pass - evidently it didn't.
The only candidate thus far that's come off the market that I was really interested in was Chip Kelly - and I always said I saw at least a solid 75% chance he went back to Oregon anyway (which looks like it could be the case).
According to Acee, Dean's made it pretty clear he doesn't want a retread. Now whether Dean's definition of retread is the same as KA's (per KA: a guy whose been HC for 2 or more teams in the past decade-plus) is a worthwhile question to ask, but I'd wager they're relatively similar.
Remember with the Norv scenario, yes we were doing the hiring late, but it still kind of came out of nowhere - we interviewed several guys (Ryan, Singletary, etc.) but then in the end Norv kind of came out of the blue as an option. So I don't know that we can place a ton of value in who the mass media is connecting us to right now until we 1) Hire a GM and 2) See who that actually is.
I'm still holding out hope for Marc Ross, but that seems to be a dwindling one. Of the two, I'll take Raye (who is at least on record as far as disagreeing with AJ on several draft picks that were not popular with the fan base) over Telesco, who when you add up all the items on his resume looks eerily like an AJ clone.
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| The LBC wrote: | | Barkey88 wrote: | | AlonzoHarris wrote: | | Barkey88 wrote: | | So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job? |
Seems like it's between Tom Telesco, vice president of football operations of the Colts and Jimmy Raye III, who's our current director of player personnel.
People speculate that Telesco would bring Bruce Arians to be head coach of the Chargers if he were to become the General Manager.
IMO, Lovie Smith probably won't be a strong candidate for us. The team will be looking for a guy who's an offensive specialist, besides Lovie uses a 4-3 scheme which doesn't fit the current players on the defense (though, I believe sometimes the importance of this is a little overplayed by some, Rivera also used the 4-3 wth the Bears but had great success in the 3-4 of the Chargers) |
Thank you sir! I'm not sure how I feel on Telesco(esp if he bring Arians) so we will have to see how that plays out. And who does that really leave us with as far as HC? Seeing as they probably won't bring somebody from the college level, if Arians doesn't get the job and it's not Smith then who? |
There's plenty of options out there and good ones too. Acee hit on it, we've done one pseudo-interview and that was really just Dean and Ron Wolf (and John might have been there too) having dinner with Doug Marrone because Marrone was on the verge of agreeing to be the Bills' HC - basically he was someone who "intrigued" them and they wanted to see if that interest was enough to prompt them to quick movement and trying to head Buffalo off at the pass - evidently it didn't.
The only candidate thus far that's come off the market that I was really interested in was Chip Kelly - and I always said I saw at least a solid 75% chance he went back to Oregon anyway (which looks like it could be the case).
According to Acee, Dean's made it pretty clear he doesn't want a retread. Now whether Dean's definition of retread is the same as KA's (per KA: a guy whose been HC for 2 or more teams in the past decade-plus) is a worthwhile question to ask, but I'd wager they're relatively similar.
Remember with the Norv scenario, yes we were doing the hiring late, but it still kind of came out of nowhere - we interviewed several guys (Ryan, Singletary, etc.) but then in the end Norv kind of came out of the blue as an option. So I don't know that we can place a ton of value in who the mass media is connecting us to right now until we 1) Hire a GM and 2) See who that actually is.
I'm still holding out hope for Marc Ross, but that seems to be a dwindling one. Of the two, I'll take Raye (who is at least on record as far as disagreeing with AJ on several draft picks that were not popular with the fan base) over Telesco, who when you add up all the items on his resume looks eerily like an AJ clone. |
It would have been really interesting to see what Chip Kelly could have done in the NFL and with the Chargers, but I don't think spanos would ever go out and take someone with that much risk factor. And Marc Ross was the guy I really wanted to see them take, that or Caldwell but I doubt that ends up happening as well. So I guess really at this point it's just a waiting process, but I'm super impatient so I dislike that notion haha. |
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Marrone has agreed to be the Bills HC.
I like the idea of promoting Raye. He'll not give continuity to most of what AJ Smith was doing and I like the idea of getting a younger guy to run things.
You know, I'd prefer Raye just because he's coming from inside the organization.
There are many examples of GM's that have worked out well for their teams after working in the club for a long time and them getting promoted.
Just to use some examples, look at how Mark Dominik, Trent Baalke or Ozzie Newsome have done their jobs for their teams, as far as taking the best out of your Draft picks, these guys have been doing a great job IMO.
Their teams might have some other issues, but they do their job as GM's very well IMO.
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| @AdamSchefter wrote: | | 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble is scheduled to interview for Chargers GM job Tuesday. Jets eyeing another GM candidate. |
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| The LBC wrote: | Hope lives!
| @AdamSchefter wrote: | | 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble is scheduled to interview for Chargers GM job Tuesday. Jets eyeing another GM candidate. |
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I will be ecstatic if we pull him off and don't have to get an Arians guy. Plus Gamble is a guy who'd invest Oline. 
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| AlonzoHarris wrote: | Marrone has agreed to be the Bills HC.
I like the idea of promoting Raye. He'll not give continuity to most of what AJ Smith was doing and I like the idea of getting a younger guy to run things.
You know, I'd prefer Raye just because he's coming from inside the organization.
There are many examples of GM's that have worked out well for their teams after working in the club for a long time and them getting promoted.
Just to use some examples, look at how Mark Dominik, Trent Baalke or Ozzie Newsome have done their jobs for their teams, as far as taking the best out of your Draft picks, these guys have been doing a great job IMO.
Their teams might have some other issues, but they do their job as GM's very well IMO. |
Per Acee, and generally he's been off-the-cuff enough lately that he wouldn't fabricate this, Jimmy Raye was so absolutely livid following the 1st round selection of Buster Davis that he wouldn't talk to AJ afterward.
If Gamble falls through, there's at least some silver lining of hope with Raye.
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| The LBC wrote: | | AlonzoHarris wrote: | Marrone has agreed to be the Bills HC.
I like the idea of promoting Raye. He'll not give continuity to most of what AJ Smith was doing and I like the idea of getting a younger guy to run things.
You know, I'd prefer Raye just because he's coming from inside the organization.
There are many examples of GM's that have worked out well for their teams after working in the club for a long time and them getting promoted.
Just to use some examples, look at how Mark Dominik, Trent Baalke or Ozzie Newsome have done their jobs for their teams, as far as taking the best out of your Draft picks, these guys have been doing a great job IMO.
Their teams might have some other issues, but they do their job as GM's very well IMO. |
Per Acee, and generally he's been off-the-cuff enough lately that he wouldn't fabricate this, Jimmy Raye was so absolutely livid following the 1st round selection of Buster Davis that he wouldn't talk to AJ afterward.
If Gamble falls through, there's at least some silver lining of hope with Raye. |
I just hope in my mind Raye was like "Yo AJ, I'm telling you, Weddle first, take this Yanda guy in the second, it'll be amazing, he's perfect to replace Goff in the future." And AJ was like "Yolo, I'm taking the second LSU WR." 
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Tom Gamble and David Caldwell were the favorites in the Jaguars subforum, so it'd be pretty nifty if you guys are able to nab Gamble.
Do the Chargers apply analytics at all yet? I don't think they do, but I wanted to double check. Tony Khan has started working toward that with the Jaguars and the 49ers (where Gamble is coming from) currently use it.
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| The LBC wrote: | | AlonzoHarris wrote: | Marrone has agreed to be the Bills HC.
I like the idea of promoting Raye. He'll not give continuity to most of what AJ Smith was doing and I like the idea of getting a younger guy to run things.
You know, I'd prefer Raye just because he's coming from inside the organization.
There are many examples of GM's that have worked out well for their teams after working in the club for a long time and them getting promoted.
Just to use some examples, look at how Mark Dominik, Trent Baalke or Ozzie Newsome have done their jobs for their teams, as far as taking the best out of your Draft picks, these guys have been doing a great job IMO.
Their teams might have some other issues, but they do their job as GM's very well IMO. |
Per Acee, and generally he's been off-the-cuff enough lately that he wouldn't fabricate this, Jimmy Raye was so absolutely livid following the 1st round selection of Buster Davis that he wouldn't talk to AJ afterward.
If Gamble falls through, there's at least some silver lining of hope with Raye. |
Not trying to be a downer, but a lot of this is eerily similar to Gene Smith.
- Rose through ranks
- Highly regarded around the league
- Pushed for guys who ended up being good/steals and was against guys who ended up being busts
- Promoted internally to GM and initially energized the fanbase
Not saying Raye will end up like Gene (though I think Gene had a lot of bad luck here and he will do well somewhere else being near a GM's ear rather than being the GM himself) but as a Jags fan, this all seems pretty similar to me.
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | AlonzoHarris wrote: | Marrone has agreed to be the Bills HC.
I like the idea of promoting Raye. He'll not give continuity to most of what AJ Smith was doing and I like the idea of getting a younger guy to run things.
You know, I'd prefer Raye just because he's coming from inside the organization.
There are many examples of GM's that have worked out well for their teams after working in the club for a long time and them getting promoted.
Just to use some examples, look at how Mark Dominik, Trent Baalke or Ozzie Newsome have done their jobs for their teams, as far as taking the best out of your Draft picks, these guys have been doing a great job IMO.
Their teams might have some other issues, but they do their job as GM's very well IMO. |
Per Acee, and generally he's been off-the-cuff enough lately that he wouldn't fabricate this, Jimmy Raye was so absolutely livid following the 1st round selection of Buster Davis that he wouldn't talk to AJ afterward.
If Gamble falls through, there's at least some silver lining of hope with Raye. |
Not trying to be a downer, but a lot of this is eerily similar to Gene Smith.
- Rose through ranks
- Highly regarded around the league
- Pushed for guys who ended up being good/steals and was against guys who ended up being busts
- Promoted internally to GM and initially energized the fanbase
Not saying Raye will end up like Gene (though I think Gene had a lot of bad luck here and he will do well somewhere else being near a GM's ear rather than being the GM himself) but as a Jags fan, this all seems pretty similar to me. |
But Smith had shown a propensity to go small school guys. Plus, I'd say the Chargers draft history was a lot better than the Jags throughout the years. I'd support Raye for sure unless he too brings Arians.
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | AlonzoHarris wrote: | Marrone has agreed to be the Bills HC.
I like the idea of promoting Raye. He'll not give continuity to most of what AJ Smith was doing and I like the idea of getting a younger guy to run things.
You know, I'd prefer Raye just because he's coming from inside the organization.
There are many examples of GM's that have worked out well for their teams after working in the club for a long time and them getting promoted.
Just to use some examples, look at how Mark Dominik, Trent Baalke or Ozzie Newsome have done their jobs for their teams, as far as taking the best out of your Draft picks, these guys have been doing a great job IMO.
Their teams might have some other issues, but they do their job as GM's very well IMO. |
Per Acee, and generally he's been off-the-cuff enough lately that he wouldn't fabricate this, Jimmy Raye was so absolutely livid following the 1st round selection of Buster Davis that he wouldn't talk to AJ afterward.
If Gamble falls through, there's at least some silver lining of hope with Raye. |
Not trying to be a downer, but a lot of this is eerily similar to Gene Smith.
- Rose through ranks
- Highly regarded around the league
- Pushed for guys who ended up being good/steals and was against guys who ended up being busts
- Promoted internally to GM and initially energized the fanbase
Not saying Raye will end up like Gene (though I think Gene had a lot of bad luck here and he will do well somewhere else being near a GM's ear rather than being the GM himself) but as a Jags fan, this all seems pretty similar to me. |
But Smith had shown a propensity to go small school guys. Plus, I'd say the Chargers draft history was a lot better than the Jags throughout the years. I'd support Raye for sure unless he too brings Arians. |
Gene Smith had been with the Jaguars since its inception. He was responsible for finds in guys outside of the first round (he had a lot more say in that area with Shack Harris as GM) and some of those names include Rashean Mathis, Uche Nwaneri, Justin Durant, etc. Some of his small school guys he selected as GM have panned out so far too like Derek Cox and Cecil Shorts III. His biggest miss was probably Blaine Gabbert from the Big 12. What really got him in a hole was not having a second round selection two drafts in a row (one used on Cox so that's a bit of a wash, but the other was used on Gabbert) and he spent draft picks too often trading up or for other players in an effort to keep the team competitive for that season rather than build for the future (to an extent, abandoning his philosophy a bit). Gene and even JDR wanted Terrell Suggs over Byron Leftwich and Ben Roethlisberger over Reggie Williams as well, but Shack Harris was stubborn with the first round choices. Ironically, the only first round selection Shack Harris was talked into was Marcedes Lewis in 2006.
Even with his clear overall failure as a GM, it would be a mistake to dismiss his entire career. His career up to 2009 when he was announced as GM of the Jaguars is similar to Jimmy Raye's up until now. Hopefully he has better luck than Gene did and hopefully the owner stays out of the process unlike Wayne Weaver did.
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