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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about Caldwell and Gamble?


Gamble will be off the market. Still hoping we pull Ross out. I'm sure Telesco is fine, it just means Arians.

What I don't get - or maybe I'm just giving Dean too much credit - is that he just canned one Polian protege (AJ started out as a scout for Polian when John Butler was working under Polian) and now he's looking to go right back to another.

Tells me the man doesn't learn from his mistakes (for the record Polian was also a guy who didn't advocate drafting OL early, hence why Peyton was stuck playing behind such crap OL's - aside from Saturday - his last several years in Indy).


Well they did start to realize it by going Castanzo-Iljana his last draft there. Maybe Ugoh turned him off. Laughing

To be fair, Castonzo hasn't been great, but he's been decent (consider it was a pretty weak class TBH). Ijalana, we'll never know... the guy just turned into the Buster Davis/Charles Rogers of OL... any injury he could manage to come down with in his lower body he managed get.
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Has everybody counted Jimmy Raye out?


No, but I think we're all just hoping it is someone outside of the organization so it can be an exciting move. Laughing

I'd prefer him to the Polian disciple from Indy. At least Raye disagreed with AJ on several draft moves. Greater likelihood that Telesco is AJ Jr.


Pretty much.

People forget that the Colts of the last few years were very similar to the Bolts in make up. An over emphasis on drafting skill position guys, and lack of depth through out the roster, and especially on offensive line.

Seriously, just promote Raye......so that way I have at least some hope that Arians won't become the next HC.
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Add another name to add to the list.

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In addition to UCLA's Jim Mora, the Chargers are reportedly interested in ex-Browns football czar Mike Holmgren for their head coaching vacancy.
NFL insider Jason LaCanfora reported the news on CBS' pregame show Sunday. Now 64, Holmgren hasn't coached since leaving the Seahawks in 2008, but has made it clear that he's open to a return to the sidelines. The Bolts are also said to be interested in ex-Bears coach Lovie Smith, though Colts OC Bruce Arians has been considered the favorite all along.


He'd probably want roster control, so I'm not sure it would work. It's interesting though.
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One thing to consider is that we are not Rooney Ruling with Ross. So there's that. I'd love him. Although I don't know who he would bring in. That might be the problems with some GMs. Like Telesco we know he'd bring Arians likely (ugh), but with Ross, who would he bring he knows, Fewell? Might be an issue.
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One thing to consider is that we are not Rooney Ruling with Ross. So there's that. I'd love him. Although I don't know who he would bring in. That might be the problems with some GMs. Like Telesco we know he'd bring Arians likely (ugh), but with Ross, who would he bring he knows, Fewell? Might be an issue.


That might actually be a good thing though, as he isn't tied to any one coach and can go out and find the best candidate. I feel like that would be an appealing part of our stigma over the Jets job for Gamble is that he could bring in Fangio/Tomsula or his guy at HC rather than having to put up with Rex for another year or two.
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I realize it's probably total pipe-dreaming, but anyone else look at San Francisco's scheme (it's a little easier to appreciate with someone a bit less conservative than Alex Smith was at QB - you just have to subtract the read-option looks) on offense and feel like that would be an ideal fit for Rivers? Power-run variation of the West Coast Offense. Now obviously we a tad more than "several pieces" away from having that OL, but schematically that system appears to play to every single one of Rivers' strengths and would minimize his shortcomings.
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I realize it's probably total pipe-dreaming, but anyone else look at San Francisco's scheme (it's a little easier to appreciate with someone a bit less conservative than Alex Smith was at QB - you just have to subtract the read-option looks) on offense and feel like that would be an ideal fit for Rivers? Power-run variation of the West Coast Offense. Now obviously we a tad more than "several pieces" away from having that OL, but schematically that system appears to play to every single one of Rivers' strengths and would minimize his shortcomings.


So you'd want Roman? I think Roman would open it up more if he actually had a vet QB that wasn't Smith (with Kaep, I think he handcuffs him a little bit to minimize mistakes). I really wish Troutman had at least been able to get a chance so we could know something about him.
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Sounds like it will be either Raye or Telesco for GM. I'd prefer Raye
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Sounds like it will be either Raye or Telesco for GM. I'd prefer Raye


I'm hoping someone makes a full press for Arians before we do.
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I realize it's probably total pipe-dreaming, but anyone else look at San Francisco's scheme (it's a little easier to appreciate with someone a bit less conservative than Alex Smith was at QB - you just have to subtract the read-option looks) on offense and feel like that would be an ideal fit for Rivers? Power-run variation of the West Coast Offense. Now obviously we a tad more than "several pieces" away from having that OL, but schematically that system appears to play to every single one of Rivers' strengths and would minimize his shortcomings.


So you'd want Roman? I think Roman would open it up more if he actually had a vet QB that wasn't Smith (with Kaep, I think he handcuffs him a little bit to minimize mistakes). I really wish Troutman had at least been able to get a chance so we could know something about him.

I wouldn't mind Roman in the least. Only heard good things about him. I also think that something similar to what New Orleans runs could work rather well for Rivers (from the looks of it, it's an inside-out, power-to-zone blocking scheme where the IOL are man-blocking and the tackles are "freelancing" with zone assignments more often than not) so Carmichael or Aaron Kromer (as an OC, since he's out of contract with NO) are options I wouldn't turn my nose up at either.

As for Troutman, I almost think we're going to have to depend on him in some capacity next season. We'll likely see at least a tackle and guard each come from the draft and free agency, but no telling how ready or good those guys will be. Troutman's tape at Penn State is positive. The real question will be whether or not all this time off has prevented him from being able to do strength and conditioning training (at the very least for his lower body because I did note on tape that his anchor could have done to improve a bit and that would have come with added lower-body strength). As we've seen with Levi Brown, Rich Ohrnberger, and A.Q. Shipley, Penn State OL that were recruited by Joe-Pa weren't always (or ever) "great," but they also never flat out sucked either.

At this point even if Troutman is just average that's an improvement and gives us some semblance of stability. Anything over that is pure gravy.
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I realize it's probably total pipe-dreaming, but anyone else look at San Francisco's scheme (it's a little easier to appreciate with someone a bit less conservative than Alex Smith was at QB - you just have to subtract the read-option looks) on offense and feel like that would be an ideal fit for Rivers? Power-run variation of the West Coast Offense. Now obviously we a tad more than "several pieces" away from having that OL, but schematically that system appears to play to every single one of Rivers' strengths and would minimize his shortcomings.


I agree with all this. Word is though that if (when, really) David Caldwell is named the new Jags GM that he will probably bring in Roman. Of course, as awesome as that is, there's also word he's going to bring in Chris Polian.
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I realize it's probably total pipe-dreaming, but anyone else look at San Francisco's scheme (it's a little easier to appreciate with someone a bit less conservative than Alex Smith was at QB - you just have to subtract the read-option looks) on offense and feel like that would be an ideal fit for Rivers? Power-run variation of the West Coast Offense. Now obviously we a tad more than "several pieces" away from having that OL, but schematically that system appears to play to every single one of Rivers' strengths and would minimize his shortcomings.


So you'd want Roman? I think Roman would open it up more if he actually had a vet QB that wasn't Smith (with Kaep, I think he handcuffs him a little bit to minimize mistakes). I really wish Troutman had at least been able to get a chance so we could know something about him.

I wouldn't mind Roman in the least. Only heard good things about him. I also think that something similar to what New Orleans runs could work rather well for Rivers (from the looks of it, it's an inside-out, power-to-zone blocking scheme where the IOL are man-blocking and the tackles are "freelancing" with zone assignments more often than not) so Carmichael or Aaron Kromer (as an OC, since he's out of contract with NO) are options I wouldn't turn my nose up at either.

As for Troutman, I almost think we're going to have to depend on him in some capacity next season. We'll likely see at least a tackle and guard each come from the draft and free agency, but no telling how ready or good those guys will be. Troutman's tape at Penn State is positive. The real question will be whether or not all this time off has prevented him from being able to do strength and conditioning training (at the very least for his lower body because I did note on tape that his anchor could have done to improve a bit and that would have come with added lower-body strength). As we've seen with Levi Brown, Rich Ohrnberger, and A.Q. Shipley, Penn State OL that were recruited by Joe-Pa weren't always (or ever) "great," but they also never flat out sucked either.

At this point even if Troutman is just average that's an improvement and gives us some semblance of stability. Anything over that is pure gravy.


I just find Troutman fascinating because he never gave up a sack in like 30 starts. While college production is obviously not an indicator, that is pretty dang good considering he played at PSU in the Big 10.
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So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job?
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So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job?


Reports sound like Telesco and Raye are the finalists. All too quiet on the Marc Ross front (and we're not Rooney Ruling with him). I don't think we brought Wolf in to just end up with Raye.
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So does anyone really know who the front runner is for the GM position right now then? I'm not really sure who is up there anymore, and I have no idea what spanos is thinking. Also if they do just promote within the organization where does that leave them for a new head coach? Does that give Lovie Smith a better chance at the job?


Seems like it's between Tom Telesco, vice president of football operations of the Colts and Jimmy Raye III, who's our current director of player personnel.
People speculate that Telesco would bring Bruce Arians to be head coach of the Chargers if he were to become the General Manager.

IMO, Lovie Smith probably won't be a strong candidate for us. The team will be looking for a guy who's an offensive specialist, besides Lovie uses a 4-3 scheme which doesn't fit the current players on the defense (though, I believe sometimes the importance of this is a little overplayed by some, Rivera also used the 4-3 wth the Bears but had great success in the 3-4 of the Chargers)
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