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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chisoxguy7 wrote:
C wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
JPeppers90 wrote:
No to Bates as OC. I want a proven OC in this league and I want Jon Gruden as our head coach.
Gruden might be ready to run after the crap he had to watch this year on MNF. Look at that blowout tonight. Bellichik just toys with the rest of the league. Like Ditka in his day.


It seems there could be at number of openings next year.

Cleveland
San Diego
Chicago
Philly
Dallas
Arizona

I'd be making phone calls real soon as I'm sure many of these other teams are doing so right now. We just might have to go with Lovie for another year if we're late to the dance.


New York Jets, Carolina, and Oakland are possibilities as well.

As for our head coaching opening, I prefer Bill Cowher.


We need someone offensive minded to lead us from the dark ages.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
C wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
JPeppers90 wrote:
No to Bates as OC. I want a proven OC in this league and I want Jon Gruden as our head coach.
Gruden might be ready to run after the crap he had to watch this year on MNF. Look at that blowout tonight. Bellichik just toys with the rest of the league. Like Ditka in his day.


It seems there could be at number of openings next year.

Cleveland
San Diego
Chicago
Philly
Dallas
Arizona

I'd be making phone calls real soon as I'm sure many of these other teams are doing so right now. We just might have to go with Lovie for another year if we're late to the dance.


New York Jets, Carolina, and Oakland are possibilities as well.

As for our head coaching opening, I prefer Bill Cowher.


We need someone offensive minded to lead us from the dark ages.


Couldnt agree more.. we desperately need an offfensive minded coach! When was the last time we hired one of those?!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nads786 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
C wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
JPeppers90 wrote:
No to Bates as OC. I want a proven OC in this league and I want Jon Gruden as our head coach.
Gruden might be ready to run after the crap he had to watch this year on MNF. Look at that blowout tonight. Bellichik just toys with the rest of the league. Like Ditka in his day.


It seems there could be at number of openings next year.

Cleveland
San Diego
Chicago
Philly
Dallas
Arizona

I'd be making phone calls real soon as I'm sure many of these other teams are doing so right now. We just might have to go with Lovie for another year if we're late to the dance.


New York Jets, Carolina, and Oakland are possibilities as well.

As for our head coaching opening, I prefer Bill Cowher.


We need someone offensive minded to lead us from the dark ages.


Couldnt agree more.. we desperately need an offfensive minded coach! When was the last time we hired one of those?!
That would be Ditka. Before him the last was probably Dooley though Abe was an offensive lineman.

I can't see Cowher coming here.
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Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

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Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
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So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.
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chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Where does Marinelli fit in this equation?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Where does Marinelli fit in this equation?


If Lovie goes than everyone goes.

I don't think Marinelli is good enough to worry about.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.
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Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.


Is it killing the Colts playoff chances?

The Texans switched 2 seasons ago from a 4-3 that featured Mario Williams to a 3-4 and has made the playoffs both of those seasons.

It does not take 3-4 years to switch over a defense.

But to be honest we are going to have to replace most of our defensive players in the next couple of seasons any way.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.


We have been to the playoffs 1 in 5 years so would we be really missing something?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.


Is it killing the Colts playoff chances?

The Texans switched 2 seasons ago from a 4-3 that featured Mario Williams to a 3-4 and has made the playoffs both of those seasons.

It does not take 3-4 years to switch over a defense.

But to be honest we are going to have to replace most of our defensive players in the next couple of seasons any way.


Do we play in as weak a division?...swap out GB & Detroit for Jacksonville and Tennessee and we would be doing just as well...

Not only that...you mentioned the Texans...in 2011 the Texans spent their first 5 picks all on D in order to make that switch...if we do that how to we fix the Oline?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.


Is it killing the Colts playoff chances?

The Texans switched 2 seasons ago from a 4-3 that featured Mario Williams to a 3-4 and has made the playoffs both of those seasons.

It does not take 3-4 years to switch over a defense.

But to be honest we are going to have to replace most of our defensive players in the next couple of seasons any way.


Do we play in as weak a division?...swap out GB & Detroit for Jacksonville and Tennessee and we would be doing just as well...

Not only that...you mentioned the Texans...in 2011 the Texans spent their first 5 picks all on D in order to make that switch...if we do that how to we fix the Oline?


The Colts lost to Jacksonville and the Texans went to overtime this year and they have not played each other so the weak division arguement has holes.

The Colts converted this year, spent their first 4 picks on offense, signed journeymen defenders and beat everyone in our division except for us.

Where do you get this 3-4 year projection from?


You act like the Bears personnel can only play cover 2 and would be out of the league without it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.


Is it killing the Colts playoff chances?

The Texans switched 2 seasons ago from a 4-3 that featured Mario Williams to a 3-4 and has made the playoffs both of those seasons.

It does not take 3-4 years to switch over a defense.

But to be honest we are going to have to replace most of our defensive players in the next couple of seasons any way.


Do we play in as weak a division?...swap out GB & Detroit for Jacksonville and Tennessee and we would be doing just as well...

Not only that...you mentioned the Texans...in 2011 the Texans spent their first 5 picks all on D in order to make that switch...if we do that how to we fix the Oline?


The Colts lost to Jacksonville and the Texans went to overtime this year and they have not played each other so the weak division arguement has holes.

The Colts converted this year, spent their first 4 picks on offense, signed journeymen defenders and beat everyone in our division except for us.

Where do you get this 3-4 year projection from?


You act like the Bears personnel can only play cover 2 and would be out of the league without it.


There is no holes in saying the NFC North is a better division top to bottom than the AFC South is…

The Bears hardly even play Cover 2 anymore…we play far more man coverage than we used too and our base D now is more Cover 3 than anything…I never said it takes 3-4 years to change a D from a 4-3 to a 3-4…I said we could forget the playoffs for 3-4 years because the amount of resources it would take to get the right parts here would deflect from helping the offence as well...

The fact some want to change the D currently ranked 5th overall in yards…3rd in points allowed & 1st in turnovers is crazy…the D isn’t the problem…the fact our offence is in its 1st year and has suffered significant injury throughout the year is the issue this team has…patience is very underrated.
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Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
chisoxguy7 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
This was taken from another site a transcript of the score,

Quote:
Terry and Dan both contended they heard from different places that Phil Emery has full GM power, that he does NOT need to consult with the McCaskeys to fire Lovie at the end of the season, and that he has unilateral football power in terms of being a real GM. Said Dan Pompei was flat wrong in terms of how firing Lovie would have to go through Emery, Phillips and Virginia McCaskey, and that if anyone tried to interfere with Emery making a firing of Lovie, Emery would probably resign because he was promised full football power by George McCaskey, and it was under the condition that he wait a year before he could exercise the power to fire Lovie.
'

So basically, Lovie's as good as gone.


Many have long had the conspiracy theory that Lovie would be gone after this season, because Emery drafted a 3-4 OLB with his first pick.

Emery was planning to hire a 3-4 coach before last years draft and was getting a head start on it.


Going to a 3-4 would kill or playoff chances for the next 3-4 years.


Is it killing the Colts playoff chances?

The Texans switched 2 seasons ago from a 4-3 that featured Mario Williams to a 3-4 and has made the playoffs both of those seasons.

It does not take 3-4 years to switch over a defense.

But to be honest we are going to have to replace most of our defensive players in the next couple of seasons any way.


Do we play in as weak a division?...swap out GB & Detroit for Jacksonville and Tennessee and we would be doing just as well...

Not only that...you mentioned the Texans...in 2011 the Texans spent their first 5 picks all on D in order to make that switch...if we do that how to we fix the Oline?


The Colts lost to Jacksonville and the Texans went to overtime this year and they have not played each other so the weak division arguement has holes.

The Colts converted this year, spent their first 4 picks on offense, signed journeymen defenders and beat everyone in our division except for us.

Where do you get this 3-4 year projection from?


You act like the Bears personnel can only play cover 2 and would be out of the league without it.


There is no holes in saying the NFC North is a better division top to bottom than the AFC South is…

The Bears hardly even play Cover 2 anymore…we play far more man coverage than we used too and our base D now is more Cover 3 than anything…I never said it takes 3-4 years to change a D from a 4-3 to a 3-4…I said we could forget the playoffs for 3-4 years because the amount of resources it would take to get the right parts here would deflect from helping the offence as well...

The fact some want to change the D currently ranked 5th overall in yards…3rd in points allowed & 1st in turnovers is crazy…the D isn’t the problem…the fact our offence is in its 1st year and has suffered significant injury throughout the year is the issue this team has…patience is very underrated.


Patience is over rated when you are running on the treadmill of mediocrity.

Lovie has had 9 years to build a balanced team that was a consistent playoff team and he has not done that.

So we allow him to fire his 4th OC and rebuild an offence again? Because whether you want to admit it or not our offences problems are not getting fixed. Mike Tice is really bad at calling plays.

I am not for blowing up the defence.

I am for a new head coach that can develop an offence, in less than 9 years, and if that comes with a new defence so be it.

And we do not even know if a new coach would blow the defence. If we bring in an offensive guy like Pete CarMichael he might choose to keep them.

But if it is between a fresh start for this team and keeping an aging defence in tact I choose a fresh start.
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