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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know it is bad when the Green Bay Packers average over 5.5 YPC.
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If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.


Your DE shouldn't be taken out of the play by a TE. The wide-9 allows for that to happen and yes, puts that kind of pressure on your LBs.
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Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.


You're asking a LB to beat a free Offensive Lineman. That's a recipe for failure.

You can be mad that he was hesitant and not making contact in the hole, but that's actually a counter play. The Packers love to line up and run play action off of that and hit the receiver off of a slant in the area that the LB just vacated or the TE slipping off his block into the flat. In any other alignment against the Packers you want him staying in that area to play the pass. It's just too much to ask of him to have to cover a quarter of the field and take on a blocker and make a tackle. There isn't a backer in the NFL that can do that and I include the guys in San Fran in that statement.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.
We've played the wide 9 set a lot less this year, than in seasons past. That's why we haven't been gashed as often.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlexGreen#20 wrote:
Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.


You're asking a LB to beat a free Offensive Lineman. That's a recipe for failure.

You can be mad that he was hesitant and not making contact in the hole, but that's actually a counter play. The Packers love to line up and run play action off of that and hit the receiver off of a slant in the area that the LB just vacated or the TE slipping off his block into the flat. In any other alignment against the Packers you want him staying in that area to play the pass. It's just too much to ask of him to have to cover a quarter of the field and take on a blocker and make a tackle. There isn't a backer in the NFL that can do that and I include the guys in San Fran in that statement.


He didn't need to beat a O lineman, just meet him in the hole. If he fills the hole, the DE has time to get there. That's how the system is set up. A LB needs to fill the hole, others make the plays if he is blocked, but you have to make the RB stutter or change direction. I'm not saying I love the scheme, but that's what is needed in that situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.


You're asking a LB to beat a free Offensive Lineman. That's a recipe for failure.

You can be mad that he was hesitant and not making contact in the hole, but that's actually a counter play. The Packers love to line up and run play action off of that and hit the receiver off of a slant in the area that the LB just vacated or the TE slipping off his block into the flat. In any other alignment against the Packers you want him staying in that area to play the pass. It's just too much to ask of him to have to cover a quarter of the field and take on a blocker and make a tackle. There isn't a backer in the NFL that can do that and I include the guys in San Fran in that statement.


He didn't need to beat a O lineman, just meet him in the hole. If he fills the hole, the DE has time to get there. That's how the system is set up. A LB needs to fill the hole, others make the plays if he is blocked, but you have to make the RB stutter or change direction. I'm not saying I love the scheme, but that's what is needed in that situation.


Problem, what do you do about the TE in the flat and the WR on the slant if he does tear up field?
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AlexGreen#20 wrote:
Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
Sllim Pickens wrote:
AlexGreen#20 wrote:
If you wanna see the problem with the Wide-9, watch the Dajuan Harris TD run. Watch #84 DJ Williams (A worse run blocker than Finley) keep the DE occupied and then the Packers lineman getting locked up on the LBs. Slide that DE over inside of Williams, give him a bit of run responsibility and now Barclay is hitting the End rather than the backer.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8731296&startTime=00:27


Tulloch washed himself out of that play. He should fill the hole instead of trying to sneak in from the side. He made it easy to be blocked. The problem with the wide 9 is it requires exceptional LB play, not just good LB play. You have to be good on every play or they will break a big one. For the most part this year we have held RBs most of the game other than one or two long runs.


You're asking a LB to beat a free Offensive Lineman. That's a recipe for failure.

You can be mad that he was hesitant and not making contact in the hole, but that's actually a counter play. The Packers love to line up and run play action off of that and hit the receiver off of a slant in the area that the LB just vacated or the TE slipping off his block into the flat. In any other alignment against the Packers you want him staying in that area to play the pass. It's just too much to ask of him to have to cover a quarter of the field and take on a blocker and make a tackle. There isn't a backer in the NFL that can do that and I include the guys in San Fran in that statement.


He didn't need to beat a O lineman, just meet him in the hole. If he fills the hole, the DE has time to get there. That's how the system is set up. A LB needs to fill the hole, others make the plays if he is blocked, but you have to make the RB stutter or change direction. I'm not saying I love the scheme, but that's what is needed in that situation.


Problem, what do you do about the TE in the flat and the WR on the slant if he does tear up field?


Um, it's a run play, you fill the hole on the run, if it were a pass he drops into coverage. In this scenario you let that WR and TE do what they want while you get the RB.
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What was the most successful wide 9 scheme employed in the NFL? How many seasons did that defense sustain that success?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What was the most successful wide 9 scheme employed in the NFL? How many seasons did that defense sustain that success?


Probably the Titans with Big Ghey Al in the middle. They were good for like 2 years.
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BLick12 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
What was the most successful wide 9 scheme employed in the NFL? How many seasons did that defense sustain that success?


Probably the Titans with Big Ghey Al in the middle. They were good for like 2 years.
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