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persiandud
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| We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
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GoPackGo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. 
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Packerraymond
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I see a lot of Grant is washed up talk, while its a possibility I think we forget Grant averaged 5.6 yards per carry over his last 5 games a year ago. He also had 10 receptions and 3 total TDs in that time frame. I'm under the impression that Grant has some left in the tank and will be well-rested coming in. I think he assumes the starter spot by the time we play Chicago, he always ran so well against them.
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incognito_man
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| I think there is little doubt that adding Grant to the mix will help our offense. I am excited about the move. |
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| GoPackGo wrote: | | persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. |
If I never see another handoff to Kuhn in that situation I can die happy.
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PackFan4Life
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| BobSacamano wrote: | | GoPackGo wrote: | | persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. |
If I never see another handoff to Kuhn in that situation I can die happy. |
If it is done every 4 games or so, it would work. Unfortunately, it is something the opposing team can count on happening in that situation at least once a game. It was great at its inception, but then used way to much to remain effective. |
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incognito_man
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| PackFan4Life wrote: | | BobSacamano wrote: | | GoPackGo wrote: | | persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. |
If I never see another handoff to Kuhn in that situation I can die happy. |
If it is done every 4 games or so, it would work. Unfortunately, it is something the opposing team can count on happening in that situation at least once a game. It was great at its inception, but then used way to much to remain effective. |
I just know they're going to do a play-fake to him now and take a deep shot on 3rd and 1, and everyone will riot about that too  |
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SDN40
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| incognito_man wrote: | | PackFan4Life wrote: | | BobSacamano wrote: | | GoPackGo wrote: | | persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. |
If I never see another handoff to Kuhn in that situation I can die happy. |
If it is done every 4 games or so, it would work. Unfortunately, it is something the opposing team can count on happening in that situation at least once a game. It was great at its inception, but then used way to much to remain effective. |
I just know they're going to do a play-fake to him now and take a deep shot on 3rd and 1, and everyone will riot about that too |
MM just has to be smart about it. The only play I liked with Kuhn was when he was lined up as a fullback in the I and they would give it to him near the goal line with much success. Handing the ball to him out of the shotgun is miserable. Having him anywhere near a shotgun formation is miserable. For the love of God put a tight end on that wing if you have to. At least then the defense has to respect some options. I've said it more than once, if I'm a D coordinator, the formation I want to see most is that shotgun with Kuhn on the wing. Its gravy to defend, dont even have to think - kill the QB. It's downright pitiful. I'll also add that we run too many plays out of the shotgun as it is. You can still pass with Rodgers under center, and it gives our o-line that extra fraction of a second help - and they need all they can get right now.
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spilltray
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| SDN40 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | PackFan4Life wrote: | | BobSacamano wrote: | | GoPackGo wrote: | | persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. |
If I never see another handoff to Kuhn in that situation I can die happy. |
If it is done every 4 games or so, it would work. Unfortunately, it is something the opposing team can count on happening in that situation at least once a game. It was great at its inception, but then used way to much to remain effective. |
I just know they're going to do a play-fake to him now and take a deep shot on 3rd and 1, and everyone will riot about that too |
MM just has to be smart about it. The only play I liked with Kuhn was when he was lined up as a fullback in the I and they would give it to him near the goal line with much success. Handing the ball to him out of the shotgun is miserable. Having him anywhere near a shotgun formation is miserable. For the love of God put a tight end on that wing if you have to. At least then the defense has to respect some options. I've said it more than once, if I'm a D coordinator, the formation I want to see most is that shotgun with Kuhn on the wing. Its gravy to defend, dont even have to think - kill the QB. It's downright pitiful. I'll also add that we run too many plays out of the shotgun as it is. You can still pass with Rodgers under center, and it gives our o-line that extra fraction of a second help - and they need all they can get right now. |
A RB blocking is more versatile than a TE blocking. A TE can only really help with an edge rusher to his side. A RB can pick up blitzes from most angles.
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RiotPunch
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This may be the one and only team in the league where Grant can find some success. He's not gonna light the world on fire, but he should be productive. I expect him to be productive.
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TheGreatZepp
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| spilltray wrote: | | SDN40 wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | | PackFan4Life wrote: | | BobSacamano wrote: | | GoPackGo wrote: | | persiandud wrote: | | We just need 4 yards a carry. I want to see 3rd and 4-6, not 3rd and long |
Anything but that dreaded 3rd and 1. |
If I never see another handoff to Kuhn in that situation I can die happy. |
If it is done every 4 games or so, it would work. Unfortunately, it is something the opposing team can count on happening in that situation at least once a game. It was great at its inception, but then used way to much to remain effective. |
I just know they're going to do a play-fake to him now and take a deep shot on 3rd and 1, and everyone will riot about that too |
MM just has to be smart about it. The only play I liked with Kuhn was when he was lined up as a fullback in the I and they would give it to him near the goal line with much success. Handing the ball to him out of the shotgun is miserable. Having him anywhere near a shotgun formation is miserable. For the love of God put a tight end on that wing if you have to. At least then the defense has to respect some options. I've said it more than once, if I'm a D coordinator, the formation I want to see most is that shotgun with Kuhn on the wing. Its gravy to defend, dont even have to think - kill the QB. It's downright pitiful. I'll also add that we run too many plays out of the shotgun as it is. You can still pass with Rodgers under center, and it gives our o-line that extra fraction of a second help - and they need all they can get right now. |
A RB blocking is more versatile than a TE blocking. A TE can only really help with an edge rusher to his side. A RB can pick up blitzes from most angles. |
I thought SDN40 was talking about a tight end motioning into the backfield off the I-form, not just blocking from inline.
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Blink
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This was the logical, albeit obvious move.
He's going to be dependable in ball security(lulz), average to below average in pass pro, and he'll take what the OL gives him in the run game.
Definitely not a bad player to have around, I wouldn't expect his signing to substantially effect the offense either way though. |
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40Year Pack Fan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Blink wrote: | This was the logical, albeit obvious move.
He's going to be dependable in ball security(lulz), average to below average in pass pro, and he'll take what the OL gives him in the run game.
Definitely not a bad player to have around, I wouldn't expect his signing to substantially effect the offense either way though. |
Yeah, Grant is a finesse runner and not a power one.....IF he were Earl Campbell (in his prime), I wouldn't be quite so concerned about our OL.....Many are acting like he (Grant) has miraculously found the fountain of youth and the offensive line has suddenly gotten over it's season long inadequacies.....
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palmy50
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| 40Year Pack Fan wrote: | | Blink wrote: | This was the logical, albeit obvious move.
He's going to be dependable in ball security(lulz), average to below average in pass pro, and he'll take what the OL gives him in the run game.
Definitely not a bad player to have around, I wouldn't expect his signing to substantially effect the offense either way though. |
Yeah, Grant is a finesse runner and not a power one.....IF he were Earl Campbell (in his prime), I wouldn't be quite so concerned about our OL.....Many are acting like he (Grant) has miraculously found the fountain of youth and the offensive line has suddenly gotten over it's season long inadequacies..... |
Not so sure that's what I'm reading. Bunch of smart football heads here on FF. I'm sure most here feel it's going to take him a little time to get going. That said, the Grant we had last year was a much better pure runner than any of the others on this roster right now. I sure expect to see a ton of Green from this point out. But there is a good chance this staff will have more faith in Grant's ability to close a game out come playoffs.
Earl Campbell is NOT what your looking for in a inside/outside zone fit! A prime years Grant was damn close to ideal in that regard. I have little doubt Grant has lost a little long speed over the years. But the vision and one cut style should still be clear. Hell, I bet he is still a good bit faster than Green. Grant might not be as quick as some but I bet he would beat most in terms of long speed even at 30.
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Title Town USA
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| incognito_man wrote: | | I think there is little doubt that adding Grant to the mix will help our offense. I am excited about the move. |
Quite the turn of events from last year when you bashed him left and right. 
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