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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


Unfortunately you're right. He isn't worth 20 million.
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stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


You know I agree with you, but what could the Lions do? They need a good QB and haven't any other option but bite their lip and pay the money correct? I think Stafford deserves at least another year to show he can be paid like a top-5 QB. If he flounders next year and the Lions lose, or gets injured for the majority of the year again then I would consider severing ties.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diehardlionfan wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


Unfortunately you're right. He isn't worth 20 million.


I would agree if this were 5 years ago but that is going rate for him now. That is the value of a 24 year old QB prior to rookie salary cap.

That is like saying gas is not worth the price now. No doubt its a dumb price but it is the price you have to pay
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlande wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


You know I agree with you, but what could the Lions do? They need a good QB and haven't any other option but bite their lip and pay the money correct? I think Stafford deserves at least another year to show he can be paid like a top-5 QB. If he flounders next year and the Lions lose, or gets injured for the majority of the year again then I would consider severing ties.
That's actually not what I'm calling for. Notice I said Stafford needs to restructure first.

If it comes down to paying him the $20M, or forcing him out of town, of course the latter is not an option. But if/when we cross that road, just be prepared as a fan to endure yet another crappy season of football. Stafford obviously can't run our offense without 1st and 2nd round WR's and RB's, so we'll probably grab him another and ignore other desperate areas of our team.

We won't be able to re-sign our important F/A's, since their all UFA's. You all will get what you want in that case, a "franchise QB"; but you'll also get the SOL as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

detfan782004 wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


Unfortunately you're right. He isn't worth 20 million.


I would agree if this were 5 years ago but that is going rate for him now. That is the value of a 24 year old QB prior to rookie salary cap.

That is like saying gas is not worth the price now. No doubt its a dumb price but it is the price you have to pay


What is he, the 4th highest paid QB in the league?
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diehardlionfan wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


Unfortunately you're right. He isn't worth 20 million.


I would agree if this were 5 years ago but that is going rate for him now. That is the value of a 24 year old QB prior to rookie salary cap.

That is like saying gas is not worth the price now. No doubt its a dumb price but it is the price you have to pay


What is he, the 4th highest paid QB in the league?


Based on when drafted at position drafted and his decent play that is the cost.

It is not his fault the rookie cap came later. Sucks for Det but it is what it is
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diehardlionfan wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
detfan782004 wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
The cap is all jacked up next season. Stafford's hit is debilitating. He's not worth the money, and needs to restructure. He's just not a big enough difference maker.

Houston has to be top priority. Avril deserves a contract averaging $10M, of course not guaranteed though- he should have to earn those figures.

I don't look for the Lions to acquire any notable F/A's, we'll be lucky to keep our own. We don't have the luxury of tagging a bunch of players like we did last season. Better hope these guys believe in what Schwartz and Mayhew are doing, or else we could be left holding the short end of the stick for real.


Not big enough difference maker?

He won them 4 games all alone last year and was main reason they made playoffs.

Forgot he is supposed to play ST (2 win this year) defense another win this year.

That is 7 wins
He's gonna cost $20M, NO, he is not a big enough difference maker for that kind of money.

For what he costed us this season, great. $20M??? Nope.


Unfortunately you're right. He isn't worth 20 million.


I would agree if this were 5 years ago but that is going rate for him now. That is the value of a 24 year old QB prior to rookie salary cap.

That is like saying gas is not worth the price now. No doubt its a dumb price but it is the price you have to pay


What is he, the 4th highest paid QB in the league?
He'd actually have the highest cap hit in the NFL if he doesn't restructure.

His play isn't worth that, and our team will suffer because of it.
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Sorry, 4th highest cap hit.

Brady- $21.8M
Eli- $20.85M
Big Ben- $20.595M
Stafford- $20.32M
Peyton- $20M

The thing that stands out on that list is that everyone of those players are perennial winners, but Stafford. And with a cap hit of $20.32M, he'd pretty much guarantee that it stays that way.
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Sorry, 4th highest cap hit.

Brady- $21.8M
Eli- $20.85M
Big Ben- $20.595M
Stafford- $20.32M
Peyton- $20M

The thing that stands out on that list is that everyone of those players are perennial winners, but Stafford. And with a cap hit of $20.32M, he'd pretty much guarantee that it stays that way.


Not just perennial winners, superbowl winners.
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Someone ignored the part in the article where restructuring only hurts us in later years.

Money has to be paid eventually.
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Someone ignored the part in the article where restructuring only hurts us in later years.

Money has to be paid eventually.
Not as worrisome when dealing with younger players. It's when KVB restructures, that you end up screwed in the end.
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carlande wrote:
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Sorry, 4th highest cap hit.

Brady- $21.8M
Eli- $20.85M
Big Ben- $20.595M
Stafford- $20.32M
Peyton- $20M

The thing that stands out on that list is that everyone of those players are perennial winners, but Stafford. And with a cap hit of $20.32M, he'd pretty much guarantee that it stays that way.


Not just perennial winners, superbowl winners.


How many were Superbowl winners before age 25? Small list.

Also how many of them had a good defense when they won?

Yea blame Stafford alright. How dare he allow 4 return tds in two games. How dare he let the WRs march up and down the field and score
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detfan782004 wrote:
carlande wrote:
stylish313 wrote:
Sorry, 4th highest cap hit.

Brady- $21.8M
Eli- $20.85M
Big Ben- $20.595M
Stafford- $20.32M
Peyton- $20M

The thing that stands out on that list is that everyone of those players are perennial winners, but Stafford. And with a cap hit of $20.32M, he'd pretty much guarantee that it stays that way.


Not just perennial winners, superbowl winners.


How many were Superbowl winners before age 25? Small list.

Also how many of them had a good defense when they won?

Yea blame Stafford alright. How dare he allow 4 return tds in two games. How dare he let the WRs march up and down the field and score
This isn't a blame game. We're simply talking about his worth.

His play isn't worth $20M, and that type of a cap hit will cripple our team's ability to attempt to field a legit contender. He's not a big enough difference maker to compensate for that cap hit.
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