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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think this is a great idea, because Ray Horton is someone you want to keep around your team, and once you lock someone in as HC they tend to stay for a while.

Unfortunately, it means the end of Whiz, but he had a good run, was very close to a superbowl victory, which is more than can be said about a lot of head coaches.

As mentioned by others, an offensive co-ordinator is a must. Although I worry that they will only be so effective with our current talent on the o-line and at qb.

Time will tell.


Bolded: Whether it's Horton or Whiz or whoever, I think we can all agree that all signs are pointing to our head coach/general manager making big time changes to the offensive player personnel. We're last or 2nd to last in nearly every offensive category.


Lucky for us, there's only one way to go from here :p
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How does Graves survive a Whiz firing fellas?

Doesn't seem right.


Graves is good by me. Don't know how anyone else feels but he's good by me. Every player we needed to sign got signed. Daryl Washington's contract is almost a joke. He should be making 1 and a half times what Graves signed him for.


I agree, I think Graves has done a really good job. He has a good history with finding good late round picks that can contribute like David Carter, LSH, Hightower, and Sherman. Even going back, he drafted Antonio Smith, Reggie Wells and Steve Breaston.

I don't think it is fair that people criticize him for the picks that didn't pan out because it is unrealistic to think that each and every single draft pick will be a homerun selection. Every GM misses on draft picks, the key is to not fail spectacularly or consistently and he has certainly done that.

He hasn't thrown bad money around on players either. He should be safe.


graves doesn't draft. he's just the contracts guy and a extension of the bidwills stupidity
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in favor of moving Horton up if we are going to lose him but, will the Cards pay top dollar for an OC? Like to see Turner here, I would think Paterno will be a HC in college this year, no one wants him in the NFL after what he did last time.

Hate to see Whiz gone but I understand
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HighMotorGuy wrote:
younggun1273 wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
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How does Graves survive a Whiz firing fellas?

Doesn't seem right.


Graves is good by me. Don't know how anyone else feels but he's good by me. Every player we needed to sign got signed. Daryl Washington's contract is almost a joke. He should be making 1 and a half times what Graves signed him for.


I agree, I think Graves has done a really good job. He has a good history with finding good late round picks that can contribute like David Carter, LSH, Hightower, and Sherman. Even going back, he drafted Antonio Smith, Reggie Wells and Steve Breaston.

I don't think it is fair that people criticize him for the picks that didn't pan out because it is unrealistic to think that each and every single draft pick will be a homerun selection. Every GM misses on draft picks, the key is to not fail spectacularly or consistently and he has certainly done that.

He hasn't thrown bad money around on players either. He should be safe.


graves doesn't draft. he's just the contracts guy and a extension of the bidwills stupidity


Love to hear this explanation.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mj says it won't happen in season
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Mj says it won't happen in season


Not to toot my own horn but I'm pretty sure my buddy told me that (I posted it here) about, oh, 3 weeks ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
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Mj says it won't happen in season


Not to toot my own horn but I'm pretty sure my buddy told me that (I posted it here) about, oh, 3 weeks ago.


Pretty sure it was more like 4-5 weeks ago, but still.
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Mj says it won't happen in season


Not to toot my own horn but I'm pretty sure my buddy told me that (I posted it here) about, oh, 3 weeks ago.


Pretty sure it was more like 4-5 weeks ago, but still.


Even better.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I would prefer it be at the end of the year.

Whiz at least deserves that.
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Jason La Canfora is something special. He wrote an article about some HC options for vacancies in the NFL coming next yr. He didnt include Horton


http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/21243767/monday-observations-coordinators-stock-rising-as-firing-season-approaches
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Jason La Canfora is something special. He wrote an article about some HC options for vacancies in the NFL coming next yr. He didnt include Horton


http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/21243767/monday-observations-coordinators-stock-rising-as-firing-season-approaches


Guarantee the team who hires Mike McCoy is looking for another Head Coach within 3-4 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 and 8 teams dont have HOT HC options.

8 -4 yes.

Horton will still get plenty of love, our D is awesome, pity rest of team is crap.
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Here is a question.

Does Ken have a legitimate thought that this season would have been so much different save for the Kolb injury?

I think the fact that he named Skelton the starter out of TC hurts his stance, but ultimately when it mattered I think he was going to stick with Kevin right through if he had stayed healthy and this team likely looks very different right now across the board and in record if Kolb did not get injured.
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khodder wrote:
Here is a question.

Does Ken have a legitimate thought that this season would have been so much different save for the Kolb injury?

I think the fact that he named Skelton the starter out of TC hurts his stance, but ultimately when it mattered I think he was going to stick with Kevin right through if he had stayed healthy and this team likely looks very different right now across the board and in record if Kolb did not get injured.


Still think we lose all but the Falcons game and the Jets game.
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khodder wrote:
Here is a question.

Does Ken have a legitimate thought that this season would have been so much different save for the Kolb injury?

I think the fact that he named Skelton the starter out of TC hurts his stance, but ultimately when it mattered I think he was going to stick with Kevin right through if he had stayed healthy and this team likely looks very different right now across the board and in record if Kolb did not get injured.


Still think we lose all but the Falcons game and the Jets game.


That's 6-6. I doubt he's under half as much pressure as he is now at 6-6.
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