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malachi2532
Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 188
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: AP & the Full Back Question.... |
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I have always heard Adrian say he would rather run without a FB in front of him.
After these last 5 to 7 games some of his best runs are with an extra TE at the line of scrimmage.
I've always agreed with this train of thought considering that one of the most frustrating things I see in Adrian's game is on those 2-3 yard gains he is usually running right into one of his linemen's back.
My second thought was that if there was one less person in his way initially. Then it would help him get thru those bodies better because the field is now more clear to see with his, not bad but not great vision.
How do you guys feel on my take? |
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Freakout 
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 1769
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Peterson's best years has been when he is running behind a fullback. I have always been a fan of having a fullback if you want to be a power running team. Once Peterson is past the linebackers, he becomes too hard to bring down for defensive backs. _________________
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vikingsrule
 Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 39543 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes!
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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I like what Felton has done, but i generally agree that a FB makes an offense too one-dimensional and easy to defend. You really need that FB/TE/HB type who can be a receiver and lead blocker. Long-term, I would hope that Ellison can develop into an effective lead blocker and the Vikes coudl get rid of the FB all together.
But for now, Felton has been a good player for the run game.
Felton is not a threat in anyway and is one less player the defense has to concern themselves. If Ellison replaced Felton, defenses have to worry about Ellison lining up at TE, FB, out wide and he is a pretty good receiver himself.
You limit your options greatly with a true FB. |
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Klomp 
Joined: 11 Aug 2011 Posts: 3426 Location: The Home of Schwan's Ice Cream
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Having a FB as lead blocker forces Adrian to be patient and wait for the openings. I think that is a big reason for a lot of his long runs. _________________
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vikingsrule
 Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 39543 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes!
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Freakout wrote: | | Peterson's best years has been when he is running behind a fullback. I have always been a fan of having a fullback if you want to be a power running team. Once Peterson is past the linebackers, he becomes too hard to bring down for defensive backs. |
Oh i agree, I like having a FB who can lead block for the power running game.
The point that I was making is that I prefer to have a player who can line up at TE and lead block like a FB, just as effectively.
Basically, Felton is good at one thing and the defense knows why he is in there. If you can get a lead blocking FB who can play TE effectively who can be a threat as a receiver you get the benefit of the power running game but the flexibiltiy of multi TE sets. I really hope Rhett Ellison can develop into that type of player, he has the skill set and I think that is why he was drafted higher than most anticipated. |
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Klomp 
Joined: 11 Aug 2011 Posts: 3426 Location: The Home of Schwan's Ice Cream
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: |
The point that I was making is that I prefer to have a player who can line up at TE and lead block like a FB, just as effectively.
Basically, Felton is good at one thing and the defense knows why he is in there. If you can get a lead blocking FB who can play TE effectively who can be a threat as a receiver you get the benefit of the power running game but the flexibiltiy of multi TE sets. I really hope Rhett Ellison can develop into that type of player, he has the skill set and I think that is why he was drafted higher than most anticipated. |
So basically you'd rather have a Jeff Dugan?
And while the defense knows why he's in there, it hasn't seemed to make a difference yet. _________________
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vikingsrule
 Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 39543 Location: Land of 10,000 Lakes!
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Klomp wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: |
The point that I was making is that I prefer to have a player who can line up at TE and lead block like a FB, just as effectively.
Basically, Felton is good at one thing and the defense knows why he is in there. If you can get a lead blocking FB who can play TE effectively who can be a threat as a receiver you get the benefit of the power running game but the flexibiltiy of multi TE sets. I really hope Rhett Ellison can develop into that type of player, he has the skill set and I think that is why he was drafted higher than most anticipated. |
So basically you'd rather have a Jeff Dugan?
And while the defense knows why he's in there, it hasn't seemed to make a difference yet. |
No, not a Jeff Dugan. Dugan wasnt good at anything. Basically Jim Kleinsasser in his prime. Great lead blocker but someone who can play TE. |
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SteelKing728 
Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 10881 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Peterson doesn't have great vision? What? If anything, he has the best vision for any RB in the league. Some of those 2,3 yard runs should have probably been like -4 yard runs. He makes plays no other RB in the league could probably make. He's just an extraordinarily talented RB, and his vision is a big reason why.
I like having a Fullback in the offense. Peterson this year has shown amazing patience in the hole, allowing his blockers to get in front of him, and then explode. Jerome Felton is also playing great. Both things are going well for the offense.
and obviously having a fullback is good because he can be a checkdown option for the QB. I'll take a 2-5 yard gain in the air over an incompletion or worse. _________________
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perrynoid
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 3811 Location: Bismarck, Norse Dakota
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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This is the way I see it: what is the benefit of having a FB? If the FB can get to the LB or DB's, and execute a decent block, it has the potential to spring AD for a big run. But, if a DL blows up the play, and gets too much penetration, then having the FB on the field is almost detrimental to the success of the play, as the FB is pretty much leading where the direction of the play is designed to go. In other words, to derive the fullest impact of having a FB on the field, we need better guards. _________________ "No one can disguise mediocrity better than Bill Belichick." |
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Swaps 
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 1682 Location: SKOL!
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: |
No, not a Jeff Dugan. Dugan wasnt good at anything. Basically Jim Kleinsasser in his prime. Great lead blocker but someone who can play TE. |
Only problem is that when Kleinsasser was in his prime he was only a blocking TE. He rarely spent time as a blocking FB. _________________
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CriminalMind 
Joined: 25 Aug 2011 Posts: 2965 Location: Toronto, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Its better for his own good.
He doesnt like it but the results show for themselves. _________________
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GoneWithTheWind 
Joined: 01 Jun 2012 Posts: 924 Location: TommyC376=The Best Sig Maker.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Jerome Felton has been an awesome blocker this year why fix wasn't isn't broken. _________________
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disaacs 
Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 19992 Location: Brownbackistan
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: Re: AP & the Full Back Question.... |
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| malachi2532 wrote: | | I have always heard Adrian say he would rather run without a FB in front of him. |
I haven't heard him say that in over 3 years. And anyway, I think it's a moot idea at this point, because he runs significantly better with one than without. _________________
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rpmwr19 
 Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 17009 Location: Stillwater, MN
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Peterson said in the offseason that we had a "special guy" at the position this year and he loves running behind him. _________________
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VikeADunn 
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