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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: [UMN]'s and vd's Blow It Up Some More Mock! Reply with quote

Attempting a mock that fits the pattern of both the Viking management behavior and stated goals, and recent events among players, we present to you...

The Blow It Up Some More Mock!

A joint Mind Meld Mock (3M) between [UMN] and vike daddy.


COACHING CHANGES
- WR coach George Stewart is fired. Kendal Briles from Baylor is hired as WR coach and passing game assistant coordinator.

CUTS
WR Michael Jenkins
WR Stephen Burton
TE John Carlson
OL Charlie Johnson

RESIGNINGS
RB Matt Asiata - not resigned
FB Jerome Felton - 4 years
WR Jerome Simpson - 1 year
WR Devin Aromashodu - not resigned
OL Phil Loadholt - 4 years
OL Geoff Schwartz - 3 years
OL Mark Asper - not resigned
OL Joe Berger - not resigned
DT Kevin Williams - 3 years
LB Erin Henderson - 2 years
LB Jasper Brinkley - not resigned
LB Marvin Mitchell - not resigned
LB Tyrone McKenzie - not resigned
CB Marcus Sherels - 2 years
S Jamarca Sanford - 1 year
S Andrew Sendejo - not resigned

FREE AGENTS



WR Dwayne Bowe (KC) - 4 years

After the falling out between the Packers and TE Jermichael Finley, the Packers decide that they can’t lose two of their main pass catchers in one offseason and extend Greg Jennings before he can hit the market. With his #1 choice off the market, Spielman then turns to Dwayne Bowe. Bowe is a legitimate big-bodied #1 WR who can be the go-to guy for Ponder. He has had his issues in KC but a change of scenery will definitely do him some good. Minnesota needs a legitimate receiver in the worst way, and adding a player like Bowe is just the spark this offense needs.




QB Matt Moore (MIA) - 2 years

Despite struggling mightily in 2012, Spielman and Frazier are not yet ready to give up on Christian Ponder, and he will enter 2013 as the starting quarterback. However, they realize that they need to hedge their bets and bring in a solid veteran QB who can push Ponder to improve his game, and even take over if he continues to struggle. This isn’t a flashy signing by any means, but it is a necessary one.



TRADES

MIN trades WR Percy Harvin to STL for 1st and 4th round picks
Harvin has yet another incident of publicly criticizing the coaching staff and Viking management, further alienating his already distanced teammates. Spielman reluctantly pulls the plug on the talented playmaker, sending him to the Rams. Perhaps the hard edged Jeff Fisher can have more success with the volatile Harvin, as he did not respond to the more soft spoken Frazier. The Rams are ecstatic to get a playmaker like Harvin, and have plenty of ammo to get him after the RG3 trade.

MIN trades QB Joe Webb to SF for a 4th round pick
Joe Webb, a fan favorite, is traded to the 49ers following the free agency departure of Alex Smith. The Vikings parlay the 6th round pick originally used on Webb into a low 4th, but then with a further Draft tradedown, exchange that for a 2014 3rd and a 2013 6th. Webb will be the perfect backup to Kaepernick in SF.

MIN trades P Chris Kluwe to CAR for a 6th round pick
The Vikings and their fans are sad to part ways with Kluwe, but his demeanor deteriorates in the off season as coaches try to corral in his public comments on controversial issues. Demanding a trade, which is unusual for a punter, Kluwe is sent to the Carolina Panthers for a 6th. But then, what of anything has been typical for Chris Kluwe?


DRAFT

** trade two 4th’s for late 3rd
** trade down in the 1st and pick up a 2nd
** trade 4th for 2014 3rd and 2013 6th




Rnd 1. LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia (6’3, 234)

There is no question that the biggest hole in the Vikings’ defense last year was up the middle of the defense, and particularly the linebackers. The team is sorely lacking an athletic, playmaking linebacker, and that is just what Ogletree offers. He has a unique blend of size, length and athleticism that can make him a terror in the middle of the field. As a converted safety similar to Brian Urlacher, Ogletree will be a perfect fit in the Cover-2 scheme.




Rnd 1. WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee (6’3, 205)

Even before Percy Harvin forced his way off the team, WR was a blatant hole on the roster. Spielman identified that need early by signing Dwayne Bowe, however another WR is definitely a pressing need. Patterson has an elite combination of size and athletic ability, and with a little refinement he has the potential to develop into a superstar WR. With Bowe and Patterson, Ponder will finally have a pair of big bodied, playmaking receivers to throw to.




Rnd 2. DT Kawann Short, Purdue (6’3, 315)

Possessing prototypical size yet surprising quickness for a big man, Short has proven to be a disruptive force over his career, posting 48 TFL’s and 18.5 sacks. Short would be a 1st round pick in most draft classes but he slides into the 2nd round due to the number of elite DT prospects in this class. Rumored to squat more than 600 pounds and bench press in the 400s, Short can play either the NT or UT position and is equally adept at rushing the passer and taking on double teams.




Rnd 2. LB Arthur Brown, Kansas State (6’1, 228)

Similar to Lavonte David in last year’s draft, Arthur Brown makes up for a lack of bulk with great instincts and being a fluid athlete. Brown excels in coverage and weaving through traffic to hunt down ball carriers. Brown rarely misses tackles and has explosive closing speed. With Greenway and the additions of Ogletree and Brown the Vikings should have an elite linebacking crew moving forward. Brown will compete with Erin Henderson for the starting WLB job from day 1.




Rnd 3. OL Brian Winters, Kent State (6’5, 310)

Winters has anchored the left tackle position at Kent State for the last 4 years, but he excels at runblocking and helped Kent State average 241.5 rushing yards per game this year. His athleticism will be a welcome addition to the offensive line and putting him between Kalil and Sullivan should solidify the left side of the offensive line. Both Peterson and Ponder will be pleased with the addition of a player like Winters to the OL.




Rnd 3. DB Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut (6’1, 190)

If Blidi played in the SEC he may have been a 1st round pick. At 6’1” and running in the 4.4’s, Wreh-Wilson has the tools to be an excellent defensive back in the NFL. He is a 4 year starter, twice a team captain, and was voted the Huskies’ MVP this year, finishing his career with 8 interceptions. He will start out with the Vikings competing for the FS job, and can also move back to CB once Winfield retires.




Rnd 4. OG Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech (6’3, 303)

Having more experience than any Yellow Jacket on the offensive line, Uzzi helped Georgia Tech rank in the top four nationally in rushing in each of the three previous seasons. He moves well laterally and plays with great effort and control. Uzzi earned All-ACC honors each of the past three seasons and has been named to the first team the last two years. He quickly is slated to compete with Schwartz at the RG position as the Vikings build one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.




Rnd 5. WR Aaron Mellette, Elon (6’3, 218)

It's not easy for "small school" prospects to generate much buzz in the NFL scouting community before their senior seasons, but Mellette served notice by leading the FCS in both receptions per game (10.27) and receiving yards per game (149.0) in 2011. Additionally as a senior this season he did not disappoint, totalling 97 receptions for 18 touchdowns and 1,398 yards in 11 games. Mellette has the size, athleticism and production to be a real steal if teams overlook him because he is from a small school.




Rnd 6. TE Jake Stoneburner, Ohio State (6’5, 245)

The big and muscular Stoneburner has been compared to Aaron Hernandez for his versatility; being able to block, play tight end, wideout, and even fullback. Like Kyle Rudolph he has long arms, sticky hands, and an enormous catch radius. Enjoying physical contact in the redzone, he was a go to receiver in college, catching 13 TD’s over his career, an average of one every 4.1 receptions.




Rnd 6. QB Sean Renfree, Duke (6’4, 225)

Renfree is a traditional drop back passer and looks the part with a tall, filled out frame. He has a strong arm to easily make all the throws and does a nice job working through his progressions to find the open target. He shows excellent chemistry with his receivers and is a confident thrower, never appearing shy to take chances downfield. The career statistics aren't glamorous (32-30 TD-INT ratio), but he has all the tools NFL scouts look for at the next level. It won't hurt that his collegiate head coach is the same offensive mind that mentored Peyton and Eli Manning.




Rnd 6. P Jackson Rice, Oregon (6’3, 218)

The Vikings immediately fill the void left by the Kluwe trade with the talented and consistent punter from Oregon. Rice was one of the most sought after prep kicking prospects nationally, then played four years for the Ducks. He doubled as their holder on kicks and was even used as the passer on several fake kick plays. Teamed with Blair Walsh, the Vikes make another youthful investment for their future, and save significant dollars from Kluwe’s veteran contract.


UDFA. WR Russell Shepard, LSU (6’1, 187)

Shepard is the type of player every team wants on their roster. During his time at LSU he has lined up at QB, RB, WR and returned kicks. He is an explosive athlete with breakaway speed, and has developed into a leader in the LSU locker room despite not being a true starter at a single position. He is also one of the most active LSU players in the community, spending time in the prison systems around Louisiana, working with the Oliver Foundation, which is a childhood obesity organization, as well as being part of the Big Brother program at Glen Oaks.


UDFA. RB Washaun Ealey, Jacksonville State (5'11, 215)

Ealey is a talented, but troubled runningback. He led the Georgia Bulldogs in rushing for two years before being arrested and transferring to Jacksonville State. He has the size, power, athleticism and production you look for in a RB prospect but his previous off the field issues will probably keep him from being drafted. With great veteran leaders in Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerhart the Vikings are in a perfect position to take a chance on Ealey.



DEPTH CHART
QB| Christian Ponder | Matt Moore | Sean Renfree | McLoud Bethel-Thompson
RB| Adrian Peterson | Toby Gerhart | Washaun Ealey | Jerome Felton
TE| Kyle Rudolph | Rhett Ellison | Jake Stoneburner | Allen Reisner
WR| Dwayne Bowe| Jarius Wright | Aaron Mellette
WR| Cordarrelle Patterson | Jerome Simpson | Russell Shepard

LT| Matt Kalil | Demarcus Love
LG| Brian Winters/Brandon Fusco
C| John Sullivan
RG| Omoregie Uzzi/Geoff Schwartz
RT| Phil Loadholt

RE| Jared Allen | D’Aundre Reed
NT| Kawann Short | Fred Evans | Letroy Guion
DT| Kevin Williams | Christian Ballard
LE| Brian Robison | Everson Griffen

SLB| Chad Greenway | Larry Dean
MLB| Alec Ogletree | Audie Cole
WLB| Arthur Brown/Erin Henderson


CB| Chris Cook | Antoine Winfield | Brandon Burton
CB| Josh Robinson | A.J. Jefferson | Marcus Sherels
FS| Blidi Wreh-Wilson | Mistral Raymond/Jamarca Sanford
SS| Harrison Smith | Robert Blanton

ST| Blair Walsh | Jackson Rice | Cullen Loeffler
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recipe for disaster.

Ponder has shown the complete inability to be effective throwing the ball more than 10 yards down the field at this level. That in itself should be reason enough to cut bait with Ponder and take a chance on Joe Webb. But you've compounded the problem by trading Percy Harvin, one of a very few receivers in the NFL who can make Ponder look good by turning a 5 yard screen pass into an 80 yard TD.
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mocks are always based on scenario circumstances. in this one, Percy Harvin makes his trade a necessity, basically refusing to play for the team. which i'd say is a 50/50 chance anyway.

so given that as a starting condition, how does it play out....?
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Some pretty wishful thinking with the trades.

Harvin won't garner a 1st, let alone a 1st and a 4th. Not to mention that St. Louis has a great group of young receivers, many of which are slot receivers, so Harvin isn't a very good fit.

Joe Webb hasn't done anything in this league, and the fact that he hasn't played this despite Ponder's severe struggles, isn't a vote of confidence. So I don't see how he's worth any type of draft pick.

And you're really trying to trade Kluwe? Has a punter ever been traded?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think we'd be able to get a 4th round pick out of Webb or a 6th rounder out of Kluwe for that matter. Not sure a team offers that type of package for Harvin either

Not a fan of Dwayne Bowe for this team either.

I love the Matt Moore signing

I like most of the players in the draft, but listing Winters at 315 is generous. He's sub 300 pounds at the moment so I question his ability to play inside.
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blame me for the Kluwe trade idea, i forced it on [UMN].

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but given that teams lately have used draft picks, even 4th's, on kickers and punters, why not trade a 6th for an established punter?
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I don't think a 1st and 4th for Harvin is unreasonable at all. People forget just how dominant he was up until mid-season. A number of analysts were calling him the best offensive player in the league. He is young, explosive, plays multiple positions and is exactly the type of player that can bring a team to the next level.

A team that needs offensive weapons and has some extra draft picks floating around like the Rams would be more than happy to make a deal for Harvin.


As for Webb, I disagree that Webb hasn't shown anything in the league. There is good tape on him and if you understand what type of QB he is and use him accordingly he will not disappoint. Backing up a very similar player in Kaepernick would be ideal for Webb, and for the 49ers. Everyone knows how hard it is to find adequate QB's in this league, and a 4th is nothing compared to a decent #2 QB.
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Joe Webb hasn't done anything in this league


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010122800/2010/REG16/vikings@eagles#menu=highlights

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121105/2011/REG14/vikings@lions#menu=highlights&tab=recap

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011122406/2011/REG16/vikings@redskins#menu=highlights&tab=recap
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To be completely honest, practically all of the 6-7ish trades are unrealistic.
Makes the draft pick selections look obviously better then it should by a big factor.
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To be completely honest, practically all of the 6-7ish trades are unrealistic.
Makes the draft pick selections look obviously better then it should by a big factor.

optimistic? perhaps. I don't think they are unrealistic though.
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Joe Webb hasn't done anything in this league


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010122800/2010/REG16/vikings@eagles#menu=highlights

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121105/2011/REG14/vikings@lions#menu=highlights&tab=recap

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011122406/2011/REG16/vikings@redskins#menu=highlights&tab=recap

So a game in which the defense dominated, a loss in which he wasn't even the leading passer, and a game with 5 passing attempts.

Wow, I'm impressed. Rolling Eyes People need to get over the Joe Webb fascination. There is a reason he wasn't given a shot and the team drafted a new quarterback, there is a reason this team continues to leave him on the bench, and it's because he's nothing more than a backup quarterback. A phenomenal athlete, but just not that good of a quarterback.
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you guys are in a sour mood tonight...

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To be completely honest, practically all of the 6-7ish trades are unrealistic.
Makes the draft pick selections look obviously better then it should by a big factor.

optimistic? perhaps. I don't think they are unrealistic though.


I count 2 optimistic and 4 unrealistic.
Alot of effort was put into this, but the value that is derived from these trades are compounded with more value attained on even more trades.
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you guys are in a sour mood tonight...

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You're right.

I need a drink.
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I like the Short pick, I see him as a player who could play some 1 tech while Kevin Williams remains as the 3 tech. Or perhaps they could be flopped. Williams isnt an effective pass rusher from the 3 tech, so maybe he would be better served as the 1 ech from here on out.

I like Ogletree for this defense very athletic player. Patterson is a great replacement for Harvin. I actually like Patterson's upside more than Harvin's.

Winters was a bit of a surprise, but i like it a lot. He needs to add 10 pounds or so to hold up at OG. I have seen him listed under 300 so i am not sure if that is accurate or not, but he needs to bulk up to play OG.

Now for my criticisms, and no VD, I am not in a sour mood Razz

The trades for me, not sure any of them would go down.

Webb isnt getting a 4th rd pick, he would be lucky to get a 7th rd pick at this point.

Punters dont get traded for draft picks, especially one who has had a down year and might have an overbearing personality.

Harvin may be worth a 1st and a 4th to the Vikes, but no way the Vikes will get that. Especially in this scenario where Harvin forces the Vikings hands. It puts the Vikings in a tough spot where they probably wont get top compensation. A 2nd and 4th would be more realistic. As others have said. Harvin is a bad fit for the Rams. they have Amendola, who is a top 5 slot WR who has made plays down field consistently as well.
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