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| oland11 wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
Well he did have JJ commanding his D for 10+ years. He probably got a bit too comfortable with trusting a defensive coach. |
It's a major flaw I think. I believe Andy has a great handle on his players. But just doesn't extend himself to the offense as he does to the defense. Easy to lose your team when you have a revolving door running half your squad.
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| Jroc04 wrote: | | oland11 wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
Well he did have JJ commanding his D for 10+ years. He probably got a bit too comfortable with trusting a defensive coach. |
It's a major flaw I think. I believe Andy has a great handle on his players. But just doesn't extend himself to the offense as he does to the defense. Easy to lose your team when you have a revolving door running half your squad. |
The second best advice I ever received as a manager:
"Be nice, but not too nice."
Andy is too nice.
He is a players coach.
Players love player's coaches, they just don't win for them.
He needs to rape a safety.
And I don't even know if that is enough at this point. |
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Jroc04
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| babyatemydingo wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | oland11 wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
Well he did have JJ commanding his D for 10+ years. He probably got a bit too comfortable with trusting a defensive coach. |
It's a major flaw I think. I believe Andy has a great handle on his players. But just doesn't extend himself to the offense as he does to the defense. Easy to lose your team when you have a revolving door running half your squad. |
The second best advice I ever received as a manager:
"Be nice, but not too nice."
Andy is too nice.
He is a players coach.
Players love player's coaches, they just don't win for them.
He needs to rape a safety.
And I don't even know if that is enough at this point. |
You know he'd give a reacharound.
I just imagine Coughlan being polar opposites and he's run that team well.
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| Jroc04 wrote: | | babyatemydingo wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | oland11 wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
Well he did have JJ commanding his D for 10+ years. He probably got a bit too comfortable with trusting a defensive coach. |
It's a major flaw I think. I believe Andy has a great handle on his players. But just doesn't extend himself to the offense as he does to the defense. Easy to lose your team when you have a revolving door running half your squad. |
The second best advice I ever received as a manager:
"Be nice, but not too nice."
Andy is too nice.
He is a players coach.
Players love player's coaches, they just don't win for them.
He needs to rape a safety.
And I don't even know if that is enough at this point. |
You know he'd give a reacharound.
I just imagine Coughlan being polar opposites and he's run that team well. |
He'd probably just give Coleman a pamphlet. |
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| Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
And yet everyone thinks Andy hand picks every defensive player.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Just look at Washburn's reaction to the Babin release. Trent Cole was leaving meetings and stuff because of it.
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Cole left meetings because Babin was cut or because of how Washburn was acting?
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| LOLKevinKolb wrote: | | Cole left meetings because Babin was cut or because of how Washburn was acting? |
They were in a DL meeting with Washburn.
Washburn was wondering where his buddy Babin was.
Then he found out he was cut and threw a temper tantrum, causing Trent Cole to leave the meeting.
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Jroc04
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| Phire wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
And yet everyone thinks Andy hand picks every defensive player.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Just look at Washburn's reaction to the Babin release. Trent Cole was leaving meetings and stuff because of it. |
Wash was more of a detriment than we know. Our defense was being run by three different people. It seems like Wash just did whatever he wanted on the line and said screw how it affects all the other units. The more I think about it the more I like him leaving. Too many chiefs and not enough indians in this locker room.
It just still puzzles me why Andy, being so defensively inept, would trust these guys with little to no experience running a whole unit. And an even more puzzle of why he'd let Jauron go. Would have been perfect to me. I can't fathom him staying, even with the latest developments. You can't make these blunders over and over and keep sweeping them under the rug.
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Phire
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| Jroc04 wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
And yet everyone thinks Andy hand picks every defensive player.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Just look at Washburn's reaction to the Babin release. Trent Cole was leaving meetings and stuff because of it. |
Wash was more of a detriment than we know. Our defense was being run by three different people. It seems like Wash just did whatever he wanted on the line and said screw how it affects all the other units. The more I think about it the more I like him leaving. Too many chiefs and not enough indians in this locker room.
It just still puzzles me why Andy, being so defensively inept, would trust these guys with little to no experience running a whole unit. And an even more puzzle of why he'd let Jauron go. Would have been perfect to me. I can't fathom him staying, even with the latest developments. You can't make these blunders over and over and keep sweeping them under the rug. |
I think that's Andy in a nut-shell though.
He trusted the better side of these guys. Nobody knew that Washburn was such a cranky baby who would act unprofessionally, berating co-coaches like no man's business.
He doesn't know his place.
Andy knew he was a guy with a good reputation. We had problems getting pressure with our front 4. Remember those arguments with FD?
I think it made sense at the time. In a perfect world, Andy's friend would be DC, he'd give him help with Washburn, he would bring in Mudd... and yet, this is what we got:
http://www.csnphilly.com/xfinity/Insubordination-to-Castillo-doomed-Washb?blockID=809145&feedID=704
| Quote: | | Washburn operated apart from Castillo, running his own little defensive line fiefdom and often either ignoring Castillo or derisively calling him “Juanita” in front of his players, the veteran defensive player said. He was condescending and confrontational and embarrassed Castillo frequently in meetings and at practice and also went over the line criticizing his players at times. |
| Quote: | The current Eagles assistant coach said both Washburn and Mudd looked down on the other position coaches, held themselves in higher regard than the others and rarely interacted with their colleagues.
"Did you ever see Howard or Wash walk off the field after practice with another position coach or one of the coordinators?" he said. "Nope. They were either by themselves or with each other." |
Yeah, in hindsight Andy botched this completely. But I can't say I completely blame him. These guys are supposed to be professionals. They sound like mean girls.
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Crazy man. Downright embarassing.
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| Jroc04 wrote: | | Crazy man. Downright embarassing. |
It truly is.
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| Phire wrote: | | LOLKevinKolb wrote: | | Cole left meetings because Babin was cut or because of how Washburn was acting? |
They were in a DL meeting with Washburn.
Washburn was wondering where his buddy Babin was.
Then he found out he was cut and threw a temper tantrum, causing Trent Cole to leave the meeting. |
Sometimes you just leave a bad situation.
It does not matter whether you agree or disagree.
It is a matter of maturity.
Cole's actions may lead one to believe he supported Washburn.
But, that's life.
You back your boss.
If he fails, you back the next one.
Good on Trent.
He aint' the coach. |
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| babyatemydingo wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | LOLKevinKolb wrote: | | Cole left meetings because Babin was cut or because of how Washburn was acting? |
They were in a DL meeting with Washburn.
Washburn was wondering where his buddy Babin was.
Then he found out he was cut and threw a temper tantrum, causing Trent Cole to leave the meeting. |
Sometimes you just leave a bad situation.
It does not matter whether you agree or disagree.
It is a matter of maturity.
Cole's actions may lead one to believe he supported Washburn.
But, that's life.
You back your boss.
If he fails, you back the next one.
Good on Trent.
He aint' the coach. |
Maybe Trent left because he was tired of hearing Wash bad mouth the entire organization from the top down. I mean it's already well documented he was condescending towards Juan maybe during that pacified led temper tantrum it was all about Reid,the Eagles, the FO and everyone in between? One thing you can say about Trent is that he bleeds green. Amazing how much love Wash's sorry tail got thrown his way when the entire time his actions were not in the best interest of the team or aiding the DC who held the title but his own agenda. More I hear the more of a Tool Washburn becomes.
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| Nabbs4u wrote: | | babyatemydingo wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | LOLKevinKolb wrote: | | Cole left meetings because Babin was cut or because of how Washburn was acting? |
They were in a DL meeting with Washburn.
Washburn was wondering where his buddy Babin was.
Then he found out he was cut and threw a temper tantrum, causing Trent Cole to leave the meeting. |
Sometimes you just leave a bad situation.
It does not matter whether you agree or disagree.
It is a matter of maturity.
Cole's actions may lead one to believe he supported Washburn.
But, that's life.
You back your boss.
If he fails, you back the next one.
Good on Trent.
He aint' the coach. |
Maybe Trent left because he was tired of hearing Wash bad mouth the entire organization from the top down. I mean it's already well documented he was condescending towards Juan maybe during that pacified led temper tantrum it was all about Reid,the Eagles, the FO and everyone in between? One thing you can say about Trent is that he bleeds green. Amazing how much love Wash's sorry tail got thrown his way when the entire time his actions were not in the best interest of the team or aiding the DC who held the title but his own agenda. More I hear the more of a Tool Washburn becomes. |
It is a tough spot when you are more prepared than your immediate supervisor.
But, it is just like the military.
You fall in line as best you can.
When someone says that they can rectify the situation by by doing more of the same, just harder, it is easy to be skeptical.
I was going to say that the military is different because they don't get paid similarly.
But, they pay a much higher price and rarely get compensated.
Some NFL players get the hierarchy model, but enough is enough.
You can't build a defense around Jason Babin.
At least Cole knows his place. |
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| Phire wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | Jroc04 wrote: | | Obviously, Andy, I believe, has no real feel for a defense. So, he goes and trusts people rather than run the team. Trusts them to a fault. Andy using his head about the defense for the first time in a while. |
And yet everyone thinks Andy hand picks every defensive player.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Just look at Washburn's reaction to the Babin release. Trent Cole was leaving meetings and stuff because of it. |
Wash was more of a detriment than we know. Our defense was being run by three different people. It seems like Wash just did whatever he wanted on the line and said screw how it affects all the other units. The more I think about it the more I like him leaving. Too many chiefs and not enough indians in this locker room.
It just still puzzles me why Andy, being so defensively inept, would trust these guys with little to no experience running a whole unit. And an even more puzzle of why he'd let Jauron go. Would have been perfect to me. I can't fathom him staying, even with the latest developments. You can't make these blunders over and over and keep sweeping them under the rug. |
I think that's Andy in a nut-shell though.
He trusted the better side of these guys. Nobody knew that Washburn was such a cranky baby who would act unprofessionally, berating co-coaches like no man's business.
He doesn't know his place.
Andy knew he was a guy with a good reputation. We had problems getting pressure with our front 4. Remember those arguments with FD?
I think it made sense at the time. In a perfect world, Andy's friend would be DC, he'd give him help with Washburn, he would bring in Mudd... and yet, this is what we got:
http://www.csnphilly.com/xfinity/Insubordination-to-Castillo-doomed-Washb?blockID=809145&feedID=704
| Quote: | | Washburn operated apart from Castillo, running his own little defensive line fiefdom and often either ignoring Castillo or derisively calling him “Juanita” in front of his players, the veteran defensive player said. He was condescending and confrontational and embarrassed Castillo frequently in meetings and at practice and also went over the line criticizing his players at times. |
| Quote: | The current Eagles assistant coach said both Washburn and Mudd looked down on the other position coaches, held themselves in higher regard than the others and rarely interacted with their colleagues.
"Did you ever see Howard or Wash walk off the field after practice with another position coach or one of the coordinators?" he said. "Nope. They were either by themselves or with each other." |
Yeah, in hindsight Andy botched this completely. But I can't say I completely blame him. These guys are supposed to be professionals. They sound like mean girls.
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I pretty much agree with this. I think here we have here the root of the problems with this team this season.
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