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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


They have no safety help. Nate Allen & Kurt Coleman are vying for worst-safety-combo in NFL history. Couple that with the fact that Nmandi gets abused by speedsters, and DRC plays with his head up his [inappropriate/removed], I don't think you have much of a choice anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BirdsFan06050 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


And this is it, in a nutshell. Before Juan left the Eagles actually held opposing QBs to one of the lowest passer ratings in the NFL. Despite the lack of sacks. This points more toward coaching issues than it does blaming a scheme that even Juan was able to make work 3/4 of the time.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

killdawabbit wrote:
BirdsFan06050 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


And this is it, in a nutshell. Before Juan left the Eagles actually held opposing QBs to one of the lowest passer ratings in the NFL. Despite the lack of sacks. This points more toward coaching issues than it does blaming a scheme that even Juan was able to make work 3/4 of the time.


It's because Brandon Weeden in his 1st ever NFL start posted a QB rating of 5.

Flacco was in the 60s.

Both Manning and Roethlisberger were over 80.

Kolb was over 120.

The Eagles defense was nothing really special outside of Weeden who personally saw that our stats be skewed from week 1.
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I've given this some thought myself...since there are no DBs worth taking in the first where we'll be drafting....I think if we trade down and acquire an extra 2nd rounder...then we should consider using both 2nd rounders on the secondary. The following may be available in the 2nd:

1) Elam
2) Veccaro
3) Reid
4) Xavier Rhodes
5) David Amerson
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I've given this some thought myself...since there are no DBs worth taking in the first where we'll be drafting....I think if we trade down and acquire an extra 2nd rounder...then we should consider using both 2nd rounders on the secondary. The following may be available in the 2nd:

1) Elam
2) Veccaro
3) Reid
4) Xavier Rhodes
5) David Amerson
I like Elam/Vaccaro+Rhodes. If we trade down we should be able to nab both S and CB. I've liked Xavier for a while now. Never has a bad game, unlike Amerson. Xavier has a very unique skill set. Best jump ball/high pass CB maybe I've ever seen. Strong tackler. Good in press. Good shadower. Completely shut down Michael Floyd last season.... I think I like Elam better than Vaccaro. I've seen Vaccaro get blatantly shook or just blatantly miss a should-be-tackle, for a guy his size. Seems over-aggressive, probably teachable. I love Kenny's size/speed/range, but Elam, though smaller, is just as fast and is a better tackler IMO. He's more under control and wraps, doesn't just fly off of the guys hips and spun off. He's a smart player too, flows well in coverage, knows when to pass guys off in zone and move on to the next. I'm enamored with and would welcome all three in any combination though (Elam, Vaccaro, and Rhodes).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phire wrote:
killdawabbit wrote:
BirdsFan06050 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


And this is it, in a nutshell. Before Juan left the Eagles actually held opposing QBs to one of the lowest passer ratings in the NFL. Despite the lack of sacks. This points more toward coaching issues than it does blaming a scheme that even Juan was able to make work 3/4 of the time.


It's because Brandon Weeden in his 1st ever NFL start posted a QB rating of 5.

Flacco was in the 60s.

Both Manning and Roethlisberger were over 80.

Kolb was over 120.

The Eagles defense was nothing really special outside of Weeden who personally saw that our stats be skewed from week 1.


And that is still much better than what we've been seeing since the bye. You really don't have a point here.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we aren't going the Star route, or even Luke Joeckel, then trading down is the best route IMO. And like I said, they could easily pick up another 2nd doing this. If that's the case, I would like us to grab Dion Jordan..plug him in at SAM like the Giants use Mathias and put Kendricks at WILL. Jordan is tall enough to cover TEs, has exp. doing so, is a freak athlete, and can rush the passer. I wouldn't mind this:

1) Dion Jordan
2) Elam/Veccaro/Reid
2) Xavier Rhodes

Not bad for the first two rounds...
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Howie is great... Onto next thread
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I'm split on DRC. Kurt have to be upgraded. Nnamdi should go and I hope Allen stays around, but he have to be a centerfielder.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its honestly time to essentially gut the team and start new.
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killdawabbit wrote:
Phire wrote:
killdawabbit wrote:
BirdsFan06050 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


And this is it, in a nutshell. Before Juan left the Eagles actually held opposing QBs to one of the lowest passer ratings in the NFL. Despite the lack of sacks. This points more toward coaching issues than it does blaming a scheme that even Juan was able to make work 3/4 of the time.


It's because Brandon Weeden in his 1st ever NFL start posted a QB rating of 5.

Flacco was in the 60s.

Both Manning and Roethlisberger were over 80.

Kolb was over 120.

The Eagles defense was nothing really special outside of Weeden who personally saw that our stats be skewed from week 1.


And that is still much better than what we've been seeing since the bye. You really don't have a point here.


Sure he does, our competition has been much better since after the bye. Combine that with players completely giving up on the system and you have a rather simple answer for all the problems. People seem to be forgetting just how badly Juan was getting trashed on these forums alone. It took the defense getting even worse to realize he wasn't the only problem.
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BLick12 wrote:
killdawabbit wrote:
Phire wrote:
killdawabbit wrote:
BirdsFan06050 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


And this is it, in a nutshell. Before Juan left the Eagles actually held opposing QBs to one of the lowest passer ratings in the NFL. Despite the lack of sacks. This points more toward coaching issues than it does blaming a scheme that even Juan was able to make work 3/4 of the time.


It's because Brandon Weeden in his 1st ever NFL start posted a QB rating of 5.

Flacco was in the 60s.

Both Manning and Roethlisberger were over 80.

Kolb was over 120.

The Eagles defense was nothing really special outside of Weeden who personally saw that our stats be skewed from week 1.


And that is still much better than what we've been seeing since the bye. You really don't have a point here.


Sure he does, our competition has been much better since after the bye. Combine that with players completely giving up on the system and you have a rather simple answer for all the problems. People seem to be forgetting just how badly Juan was getting trashed on these forums alone. It took the defense getting even worse to realize he wasn't the only problem.


Last I checked Manning and Roethlisberger were considered pretty good QBs on pretty good teams. Flacco isn't great, but he's not exactly considered a slouch either.

Juan was getting trashed pretty badly for a good while, although in an interesting twist, people actually watched the games and defended Juan like heck when he was fired. Ironically enough (considering how much crap he took from the fans/media/etc.) it turns out that Juan was the least of the defenses issues. He was at least able to make it work 3/4 of the time.

There's still not really any kind of argument there, though.
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killdawabbit wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
killdawabbit wrote:
Phire wrote:
killdawabbit wrote:
BirdsFan06050 wrote:
PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.


And this is it, in a nutshell. Before Juan left the Eagles actually held opposing QBs to one of the lowest passer ratings in the NFL. Despite the lack of sacks. This points more toward coaching issues than it does blaming a scheme that even Juan was able to make work 3/4 of the time.


It's because Brandon Weeden in his 1st ever NFL start posted a QB rating of 5.

Flacco was in the 60s.

Both Manning and Roethlisberger were over 80.

Kolb was over 120.

The Eagles defense was nothing really special outside of Weeden who personally saw that our stats be skewed from week 1.


And that is still much better than what we've been seeing since the bye. You really don't have a point here.


Sure he does, our competition has been much better since after the bye. Combine that with players completely giving up on the system and you have a rather simple answer for all the problems. People seem to be forgetting just how badly Juan was getting trashed on these forums alone. It took the defense getting even worse to realize he wasn't the only problem.


Last I checked Manning and Roethlisberger were considered pretty good QBs on pretty good teams. Flacco isn't great, but he's not exactly considered a slouch either.

Juan was getting trashed pretty badly for a good while, although in an interesting twist, people actually watched the games and defended Juan like heck when he was fired. Ironically enough (considering how much crap he took from the fans/media/etc.) it turns out that Juan was the least of the defenses issues. He was at least able to make it work 3/4 of the time.

There's still not really any kind of argument there, though.


Eli Manning has an 85 QB rating this year. Pretty average.

Big Ben has been very good, I'll give them credit for that one.

To be fair, I never bashed Juan as hard some of the others did here. He made some poor decisions changing up the secondary most notably in the Lions game but for the most part he did a solid job with what he had, but ran a very vanilla defense. But to say "the secondary was great before Juan was fired" is still a bit of a stretch.
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