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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:24 am    Post subject: We need a new secondary thread Reply with quote






6 consecutive games with a QB rating of 120 or more - NFL record

I'm sick and tired with this secondary, they are the most overhyped group of players we've ever had. You can't blame it all on the scheme - the scheme is bad, but the execution is worse. These players are finesse players and don't want to hit. Oppositions know this, so they are going to run straight at us.

Look at the second Bryant TD, what the hell was DRC doing? Might as well escorted him into the endzone.

I honestly believe we could have 4 new starters in the secondary next year.

Time's yours.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:43 am    Post subject: Re: We need a new secondary thread Reply with quote

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Time's yours.

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Todd Bowle's "scheme" certainly isn't doing our safeties any favors but I agree we need some changes.

Kurt Coleman gives 100% all the time but he shouldn't be a starter, there was a point in the game vs. the Cowboys where he had the chance to lay a hit on the receiver and prevent a catch but instead missed completely. An imposing safety in that case and in general is something our defence lacks, someone who the other team knows if they go across the middle they're going to be hit. TJ McDonald in the upcoming draft would be my ideal candidate for that.

I like Nate but he's starting to annoy me with his Considine-ness at times. I think he deserves another shot as a starting safety next season because we have seen what he can play like at times. Not so much this season but last year he was playing much more physical and with some intensity especially on that 4 game run at the end, very impressive. If we have that Nate Allen then we're fine at one of the two safety positions.

Not sure about DRC, we could do a lot worse but at the same time despite his ability in coverage he's soooo soft. That TD against Dez was just embarrassing! I wouldn't be too upset if the let him go elsewhere for big money. And Nnamdi... ehhh, again we could do worse but with a new regime and a "blow it up" kind of off-season I wouldn't be mad seeing him cut.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This secondary is horrendous. When we ditch the wide-9(this week) the safeties might be mediocre. But Scrabble and DRC aren't being properly used.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the scheme.
The wide-9 is abusing our secondary.

And our safeties are being asked to do too much.

Can we improve? Certainly.
But we need better schematically.

Todd was thrown into the spot mid-season, did not help anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phire wrote:
It's the scheme.
The wide-9 is abusing our secondary.

And our safeties are being asked to do too much.

Can we improve? Certainly.
But we need better schematically.

Todd was thrown into the spot mid-season, did not help anything.


The scheme is definitely a factor, but missed tackles, letting the receiver catch the ball when there are two of you there, not looking like you care - that's all on the players.
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marky_b27 wrote:
Phire wrote:
It's the scheme.
The wide-9 is abusing our secondary.

And our safeties are being asked to do too much.

Can we improve? Certainly.
But we need better schematically.

Todd was thrown into the spot mid-season, did not help anything.


The scheme is definitely a factor, but missed tackles, letting the receiver catch the ball when there are two of you there, not looking like you care - that's all on the players.


Totally agree.
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According to CSNPhilly'com's Reuben Frank, in 160 games with Johnson as defensive coordinator, seven quarterbacks recorded a passer rating of 120 or more. In six games under Bowles, six have already done so.


Simply not good enough.
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According to CSNPhilly'com's Reuben Frank, in 160 games with Johnson as defensive coordinator, seven quarterbacks recorded a passer rating of 120 or more. In six games under Bowles, six have already done so.


Simply not good enough.


Yea but JJ was a god among men and one overweight guy. Bowles also doesn't blitz every other play.
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There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.
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marky_b27 wrote:
Phire wrote:
It's the scheme.
The wide-9 is abusing our secondary.

And our safeties are being asked to do too much.

Can we improve? Certainly.
But we need better schematically.

Todd was thrown into the spot mid-season, did not help anything.


The scheme is definitely a factor, but missed tackles, letting the receiver catch the ball when there are two of you there, not looking like you care - that's all on the players.


The players are lost.

Reid put together a "magross mock" coaching staff.
They are run different, incompatible schemes.
The linchpin in all of this is the wide-9.

Asomugha was the 2nd best corner in the league when he came here.
Did he suddenly get bad?
When he first arrived he was a decent tackler, but that was because of proximity to the receiver. He is no open-field tackling stud. Few corners are.

DRC was an up and coming cover corner and has shown flashes of that.
He never was a good tackler.

Coleman was a competent safety and a borderline starter in his rookie season. He has regressed so badly that the only time you ever see him anymore is when he gets in a fight after the play.
He used to be around the ball on every play.

Some people think Allen is good. Some think he's terrible.
I don't know.
What I do know is that this defense is terrible.

Hell, Sims looked good on the Browns.
On the Eagles he is as interchangeably bad as everyone else.

With the wide-9 gone hopefully they can form some semblance of normal defense and use player strengths instead of imposing a losing strategy on them.
This is what is really meant by "putting players in the best position to succeed."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyatemydingo wrote:
marky_b27 wrote:
Phire wrote:
It's the scheme.
The wide-9 is abusing our secondary.

And our safeties are being asked to do too much.

Can we improve? Certainly.
But we need better schematically.

Todd was thrown into the spot mid-season, did not help anything.


The scheme is definitely a factor, but missed tackles, letting the receiver catch the ball when there are two of you there, not looking like you care - that's all on the players.


With the wide-9 gone hopefully they can form some semblance of normal defense and use player strengths instead of imposing a losing strategy on them.

This is what is really meant by "putting players in the best position to succeed."


That's going to be key. Though you have to wonder if their confidence is so shot that firing the D line coach isn't going to make much difference.
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Been working on a mock offseason and, as always, it's all speculation, but I'd like to see the Eagles try to bring in more physical corners (I.E. Seattle).

Probably best for this team to focus on the OL and secondary this offseason - I'm a fan of bringing in a couple corners on short-term prove it deals with skillsets that fit the physical, big, man-to-man scheme (again, if thats what we run)...

Current additions in that mock:

Dunta Robinson (likely cap casulalty in Atlanta), Bradley Fletcher (Rams free agent) and David Amerson (NC State rookie - projected 2nd Pick)

Bringing in a big name safety (since Joeckel is the target in the first) like William Moore that would allow Allen to shift to a center field role and place Coleman in a reserve role where he belongs.
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Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.
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PhiCelek87 wrote:
Phire wrote:
Eagles_808 wrote:
There is a chance DRC is not resigned this offseason. Just wanted to throw that out there.


I'd say he's gone. There's no way he would even want to stay.


I don't see how you could keep him - funny how quickly things change in six weeks.

The only guy I think thats back in a starting role next season is Allen. Asomugha makes too much money and DRC is a major part of the problem - no physicality whatsoever.

I don't understand what he was doing playing so far off in the red zone on the Bryant TD last night either... But I guess thats another story for another day.


I'd like to know why in the hell both of our press corners are playing so off since Bowles took over.

This secondary was playing great before Juan was fired.
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