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Mad Man


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:19 am    Post subject: Keepers Reply with quote

When you look at it, how many guys on our team are really "keepers?"

Defense.
- Johnson
- Keuchly
- Godfrey
- Gamble when healthy, but getting old.

Hardy is playing well, TD and Anderson are also solid, but not spectacular. I am not counting on Beason (starting to feel like Morgan)

The rest of defense could all be upgraded.

Offense
- Gross - but he is getting old
- Cam
- Steve Smith
- Kalil (IR)

Olsen is solid, Silatolu is promising but the rest of them are not strong. I am not a fan of our RB situation, mostly because they are overpaid.

So putting aside Smith, Gross, and Gamble because they are on the backend of their careers, we have 4 guys who are really "Keepers" and not in IR, another handful of decent players. and a whole bunch of guys that need to be replaced.

Needs
1) 2 x defensive linemen
2) 1 safety
3) 2-3 Offensive linemen
4) 1 - 2 WRs (LaFell sucks)
5) Corner back for depth and to challenge starters

It's really bad, we desperately need to trade down and accumulate some picks. I really hope that we get a GM that is competent. Hurney ruined the Panthers.
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iknowcool


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Godfrey is a keeper, then certainly Hardy is. Especially considering how bad our defensive line is.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardy has been a run support. He is coming along as a compliment to Johnson.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keepers:

Steve Smith
Mike Tolbert
Jordan Gross
Ryan Kalil
Greg Olsen
Charles Johnson
Chris Gamble

Borderline:

Cam Newton
Jonathan Stewart (injuries)
Brandon LaFell
Greg Hardy
James Anderson
Jon Beason
Luke Kuechly
Thomas Davis

Maybe:

Louis Murphy
Amini Silatolu
Byron Bell (RG only)
Frank Alexander
Josh Norman
Captain Munnerlyn
Charles Godfrey
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO LaFell does not suck he is still very young and has great chemistry with Cam...I know he did in a way lose the game with that drop,but we can't say that he flat out sucks cause of that one drop...let us also remember this is his third year in the league and his second with a legit QB in Cam Newton
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HighPointNCKid


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Keepers:

Steve Smith
Mike Tolbert
Jordan Gross
Ryan Kalil
Greg Olsen
Charles Johnson
Chris Gamble

Borderline:

Cam NewtonJonathan Stewart (injuries)
Brandon LaFell
Greg HardyJames Anderson
Jon Beason
Luke KuechlyThomas Davis

Maybe:

Louis Murphy
Amini Silatolu
Byron Bell (RG only)
Frank Alexander
Josh NormanCaptain Munnerlyn
Charles Godfrey


Dude the underlined folks should not be in these categories???? That is absolutely lunacy!!! Newton, Hardy and Kuechly are "borderline"??? Charles Godfrey and Josh Norman are the only dudes in the secondary that show up on Sunday??? Hardy is constantly pressuring the QB and is always around the ball and he plays ST. I wont even defend Cam, thats dumb! What are the alternatives if Cam is "borderline"?? Claussen? Anderson?? Those dudes are straight garbage, we couldnt get a ham sandwich in return as trade bait!!! Munnerlyn should be on the GONE list! He's a guaranteed pass interference call at least 1 time a game. Draft the best 2 DTs on the board in our first 3 rounds, OL depth and make a move or trade with 1 or both of our starting RBs. I have full confidence in Tolbert. I cant imagine how good our defense could be if we had 2 legit monsters at DT with Gamble and Norman back there. Godfrey flying around smashing people along with the LBs we have. we do need a FS that we may be able to get in FA, I like the Jarius Byrd kid from Buffalo. I think this offseason we will be pleasantly surprised at how active Mr. Richardson is with his checkbook in contrast to the last few years.
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Carolina_Champ


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norman looks just as bad as Munnerlyn did last year imo. I hope we address that with a higher priority this offseason.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carolina_Champ wrote:
Norman looks just as bad as Munnerlyn did last year imo. I hope we address that with a higher priority this offseason.

Norman is a rookie! What is "the captain's" excuse??? Norman is always around the ball and he does get beat, but with little to no pass rush, ALL CBs get beat, see Asomugha. He was considered the best if not the 2nd best CB in the league, now he is a joke. The Eagles have no pass rush and that is why he is a joke, like us! Norman is better than Munnerlyn right now, and its not even close!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HighPointNCKid wrote:
Carolina_Champ wrote:
Norman looks just as bad as Munnerlyn did last year imo. I hope we address that with a higher priority this offseason.

Norman is a rookie! What is "the captain's" excuse??? Norman is always around the ball and he does get beat, but with little to no pass rush, ALL CBs get beat, see Asomugha. He was considered the best if not the 2nd best CB in the league, now he is a joke. The Eagles have no pass rush and that is why he is a joke, like us! Norman is better than Munnerlyn right now, and its not even close!


All corners get beat but you at least expect them to make it hard for receivers. The reason he's always around the ball is because everything thrown he way is completed. How many times have you seen Norman in a position to redirect a receiver, get his hand in to break up a pass or at least get contact quick enough to try to make in an incomplete pass? Never! Receivers are always in front of him with enough room to catch the ball with little to no pressure from him. Thomas is pretty much a rookie too and I don't think the same of him.

Not making excuses for Captain because I'm not a fan of him either but at least he was a 7th round pick who had no business starting last year. Norman had all of this hype surrounding him in training camp and has shown little. To say Norman is better than Munnerlyn right now is kinda silly imo when they're in two different situations and Munnerlyn is the nickle has been pretty solid.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Keepers:

Steve Smith
Mike Tolbert
Jordan Gross
Ryan Kalil
Greg Olsen
Charles Johnson
Chris Gamble

Borderline:

Cam Newton
Jonathan Stewart (injuries)
Brandon LaFell
Greg Hardy
James Anderson
Jon Beason
Luke Kuechly
Thomas Davis

Maybe:

Louis Murphy
Amini Silatolu
Byron Bell (RG only)
Frank Alexander
Josh Norman
Captain Munnerlyn
Charles Godfrey

LaFell, Hardy and Kuechly are keepers. Also there is no reason Thomas Davis shouldn't be a keeper. Honestly, I could see a situation where Steve Smith is moved in order to bring in younger talent. BTW, what is the difference between "Borderline" and "Maybe"? They both sound the same... Silatolu is a keeper. Don't forget, Kalil got straight abused his rookie season albeit at guard. Alexander has applied some really nice pressure and I swear I am looking at a young Mike Rucker. Norman Munnerlyn and Godfrey are fine and should stay with the team.

Which brings us to Cam Newton. Even by you suggesting that he belongs in the "Borderline" category is laughable. Not only is Cam a keeper, he is the franchise. I don't know your personal feelings about him, but I'll assume that you feel he is immature and selfish (which right now appears to hold some water). I hate the fact that he has to assist the officials after every 1st down run by pointing in the direction of his goal line. I hate how he sulks on the sideline when his team is down and that the gatorade towel is perfectly centered across his head. I hate how he handles a press conference after a loss. Even with all this, I'll take him. He's young, very young. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and is willing to accept coaching. Also, think about you options minus Cam. D. Anderson, T. Tebow, M. Flynn or draft another QB and pass up a great DT or other player. We need to have this discussion after year 5, not year 1.75...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Keepers:

Steve Smith
Mike Tolbert
Jordan Gross
Ryan Kalil
Greg Olsen
Charles Johnson
Chris Gamble

Borderline:

Cam Newton
Jonathan Stewart (injuries)
Brandon LaFell
Greg Hardy
James Anderson
Jon Beason
Luke Kuechly
Thomas Davis

Maybe:

Louis Murphy
Amini Silatolu
Byron Bell (RG only)
Frank Alexander
Josh Norman
Captain Munnerlyn
Charles Godfrey



Talk about hitting the panic button.



Also I believe Lafell(Yes I know he had the drop) and Hardy are definite keepers.



Also the entire maybe category should be lumped into the borderline category.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Godfrey is not a keeper at all. He's a bottom 10 safety that can't cover.

I'd definitely keep:

Cam
Steve
Kalil
Charles Johnson
Kuechly

I'd try, but not break the bank for

Hardy
LaFell
Gross
Smitty
Olsen

I'd pay to get rid of

Rivera/the entire coaching staff
Nakamura
the Punter
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying LaFell sucks totally discredits your post OP, he's been solid all year.

We need a DT, FS, future LT or RG and we are good. WR's will be an option in FA. I don't see us breaking the bank on a FS.

I want to keep Beason really bad because I think he will be back to form and having him pair with Keuchly is going to be insane. You guys don't realize how just how BA that could be.

Realistically I think Deangelo will be gone, as well as Martin and Nakamura. I think Hangman probably gets cut if we draft someone on the OL.

Greg Hardy must absolutely be kept. He's finally breaking out and will probably have 10 sacks on the year. And if you guys haven't noticed it's Hardy taking on the LT's not Charles Johnson.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Keepers" Category:
Cam Newton
Ryan Kalil
Luke Kuechly
Chris Gamble
Charles Johnson
Greg Hardy
Brandon LaFell


The "Probably Going To Be Here But It'd Be Okay If They Weren't" Category:
Jon Beason
Thomas Davis
James Anderson
Ron Edwards
Captain Munnerlyn
Charles Godfrey
Jonathan Stewart
Steve Smith
Mike Tolbert


The "Really Shouldn't Be Here But Inevitably Will Because Our Lives Suck" Category:
DeAngelo Williams
Byron Bell
Jordan Gross
Armanti Edwards
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cypher wrote:
The "Keepers" Category:
Cam Newton
Ryan Kalil
Luke Kuechly
Chris Gamble
Charles Johnson
Greg Hardy
Brandon LaFell

The "Probably Going To Be Here But It'd Be Okay If They Weren't" Category:
Jon Beason
Thomas Davis
James Anderson
Ron Edwards
Captain Munnerlyn
Charles Godfrey
Jonathan Stewart
Steve Smith
Mike Tolbert

The "Really Shouldn't Be Here But Inevitably Will Because Our Lives Suck" Category:
DeAngelo Williams
Byron Bell
Jordan Gross
Armanti Edwards


This, except I'd think about moving Stewart to being a keeper.
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