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johndeere1707


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the thing I'm dissapointed with most is my crappy GDT winning streak is over. Better let J put time and effort into them now
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, Andy was off plenty of times too.


I was referring to the dropped passes. they were all pretty catchable balls.

Just watched the game over.

Here's a question. On the Marvin Jones TD catch that was blown off because he went out of the back of the end zone. Why wasn't there a flag for him being pushed out of the end-zone; (illegal contact beyond 5 yards ) ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LondonBengal wrote:
Here's a question. On the Marvin Jones TD catch that was blown off because he went out of the back of the end zone. Why wasn't there a flag for him being pushed out of the end-zone; (illegal contact beyond 5 yards ) ?


Depends on if the QB was out of the pocket or not. Dalton did leave the pocket on that play, if he was outside when the push occurred, then the refs made the right call (and non-call) on that play...
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LondonBengal wrote:
INbengalfan wrote:
No, Andy was off plenty of times too.


I was referring to the dropped passes. they were all pretty catchable balls.

Just watched the game over.

Here's a question. On the Marvin Jones TD catch that was blown off because he went out of the back of the end zone. Why wasn't there a flag for him being pushed out of the end-zone; (illegal contact beyond 5 yards ) ?


isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluhartz wrote:
LondonBengal wrote:
INbengalfan wrote:
No, Andy was off plenty of times too.


I was referring to the dropped passes. they were all pretty catchable balls.

Just watched the game over.

Here's a question. On the Marvin Jones TD catch that was blown off because he went out of the back of the end zone. Why wasn't there a flag for him being pushed out of the end-zone; (illegal contact beyond 5 yards ) ?


isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


Yeah, wasn't that a debacle with the replacement refs earlier this year? In was in the opposite endzone for me so I didn't see it clearly.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK, so once the QB is out of the pocket it turns into a run play right, so the DB's can block-up. How on earth the DB can watch the ball, and see if the QB is out of the pocket is beyond me, but there you go.

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?

It must be real frustrating for the D coaches, teaching guys to hit with their hands chest or shoulder and not lead with the head, and then still get flagged....

Bring back the replacements I say........
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LondonBengal wrote:
fluhartz wrote:

isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK. But surely the DB still can't make contact beyond 5 yards of the LOS on a pass play ? Thats still illegal contact aint it ?

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?


Bring back the replacements I say........


If the QB is out of the pocket, illegal contact is no longer a call.

They just plain screwed up the Nelson call.
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LondonBengal wrote:
fluhartz wrote:

isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK, so once the QB is out of the pocket it turns into a run play right, so the DB's can block-up. How on earth the DB can watch the ball, and see if the QB is out of the pocket is beyond me, but there you go.

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?

It must be real frustrating for the D coaches, teaching guys to hit with their hands chest or shoulder and not lead with the head, and then still get flagged....

Bring back the replacements I say........


there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheVillain112 wrote:
I'm actually not too disappointed by the loss. 4 wins in a row, we were bound to start making some mistakes and drop a game. Just glad it was to a NFC team.

We need to run the table now to make the playoffs. Which I'm kind of happy about. If we can't run the table we probably won't do much in the playoffs anyway...


Agree with this.......

I think sometimes we also forget just how young this offensive team is. If we can keep this team together and healthy and put it all together, we are gonna absolutely crush some people
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fluhartz wrote:
there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....


No, they are doing what they are told to do... protect the league brand, specifically the big market teams like Dallas. Goodell and the money counters want the big market teams in pl;ayoff contention and ultimately the postseason. A dallas loss knocks them out for good.

Another series of calls to look at was the long run by BJGE late in the game. He gets a 40 yard run called partially back for an illegal block in the back far away from the play. We lose 20. Then Whit comes up with a 10 yarder for holding, and there was another penalty in there. Compare that with the Denver game. Green goes down the same sideline, gets mugged, but mysteriously, they don't call PI in favor of holding. Even the Broncos defense was backing up to a PI call. Immediately after, we get an illegal formation and two straight holding calls. In essense, we went from their 35 to behind our own 20 without a play that actually counted.
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INbengalfan wrote:
fluhartz wrote:
there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....


No, they are doing what they are told to do... protect the league brand, specifically the big market teams like Dallas. Goodell and the money counters want the big market teams in pl;ayoff contention and ultimately the postseason. A dallas loss knocks them out for good.

Another series of calls to look at was the long run by BJGE late in the game. He gets a 40 yard run called partially back for an illegal block in the back far away from the play. We lose 20. Then Whit comes up with a 10 yarder for holding, and there was another penalty in there. Compare that with the Denver game. Green goes down the same sideline, gets mugged, but mysteriously, they don't call PI in favor of holding. Even the Broncos defense was backing up to a PI call. Immediately after, we get an illegal formation and two straight holding calls. In essense, we went from their 35 to behind our own 20 without a play that actually counted.


That block in the back on AJ was so pedestrian it was funny. I've pushed my nephew harder on a swing set. Then there was the 'hold' on Kyle Cook which was barely anything. Either way, we had enough chances and the power was in our hands to finish. Even though we were all over them we deserved to lose with that effort.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluhartz wrote:
LondonBengal wrote:
fluhartz wrote:

isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK, so once the QB is out of the pocket it turns into a run play right, so the DB's can block-up. How on earth the DB can watch the ball, and see if the QB is out of the pocket is beyond me, but there you go.

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?

It must be real frustrating for the D coaches, teaching guys to hit with their hands chest or shoulder and not lead with the head, and then still get flagged....

Bring back the replacements I say........


there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....


Think How quickly we lose perspective.

The L was not the refs fault. Totally on the players side of the equation. Have to execute better.
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theJ wrote:
fluhartz wrote:
LondonBengal wrote:
fluhartz wrote:

isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK, so once the QB is out of the pocket it turns into a run play right, so the DB's can block-up. How on earth the DB can watch the ball, and see if the QB is out of the pocket is beyond me, but there you go.

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?

It must be real frustrating for the D coaches, teaching guys to hit with their hands chest or shoulder and not lead with the head, and then still get flagged....

Bring back the replacements I say........


there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....


Think How quickly we lose perspective.

The L was not the refs fault. Totally on the players side of the equation. Have to execute better.



I didn't blame the loss on the Refs at all. I was specifically talking about that call being a joke.

This loss was on the coaching and players not making plays when needed.
Dropped interceptions, AJ having hopefully the worst game of his career and the Bengals not running the ball in the fourth quarter...
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fluhartz wrote:
theJ wrote:
fluhartz wrote:
LondonBengal wrote:
fluhartz wrote:

isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK, so once the QB is out of the pocket it turns into a run play right, so the DB's can block-up. How on earth the DB can watch the ball, and see if the QB is out of the pocket is beyond me, but there you go.

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?

It must be real frustrating for the D coaches, teaching guys to hit with their hands chest or shoulder and not lead with the head, and then still get flagged....

Bring back the replacements I say........


there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....


Think How quickly we lose perspective.

The L was not the refs fault. Totally on the players side of the equation. Have to execute better.



I didn't blame the loss on the Refs at all. I was specifically talking about that call being a joke.

This loss was on the coaching and players not making plays when needed.
Dropped interceptions, AJ having hopefully the worst game of his career and the Bengals not running the ball in the fourth quarter...

I should have separate my thoughts better. Those two lines were independent. Whether you like it or not, the refs in place now are the best in the world at that job. Period. To call them a joke or call for replacements is to suggest that they should be able to call a game as well as you can from your couch with slow motion as an aid.

Tis impossible.
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theJ wrote:
fluhartz wrote:
theJ wrote:
fluhartz wrote:
LondonBengal wrote:
fluhartz wrote:

isn't it because Andy was out of the pocket.... They can push them out when that happens.


OK, so once the QB is out of the pocket it turns into a run play right, so the DB's can block-up. How on earth the DB can watch the ball, and see if the QB is out of the pocket is beyond me, but there you go.

Whats the excuse for the BS call on Nelsons chest-shot on Bryant ?

Or was that just a plain good old fashioned screw-up ?

It must be real frustrating for the D coaches, teaching guys to hit with their hands chest or shoulder and not lead with the head, and then still get flagged....

Bring back the replacements I say........


there is no excuse.. That was a textbook tackle that was called wrong.
That play could be in a tackling handbook on how you are supposed to do it.

Total joke these refs are in today's game....


Think How quickly we lose perspective.

The L was not the refs fault. Totally on the players side of the equation. Have to execute better.



I didn't blame the loss on the Refs at all. I was specifically talking about that call being a joke.

This loss was on the coaching and players not making plays when needed.
Dropped interceptions, AJ having hopefully the worst game of his career and the Bengals not running the ball in the fourth quarter...

I should have separate my thoughts better. Those two lines were independent. Whether you like it or not, the refs in place now are the best in the world at that job. Period. To call them a joke or call for replacements is to suggest that they should be able to call a game as well as you can from your couch with slow motion as an aid.

Tis impossible.



again... I was talking about this particular play. The ref that was five yards from it, looking right at the play called incomplete. The ref from the middle of the field called unnecessary roughness...

I agree that the refs get most calls right and for me to say they are a joke as a whole is not true...
So I will just say the way they are being forced to call todays game is a joke...

BTW...I am a pretty good couch ref...and totally unbiased.. Very Happy
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