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FootballPhreak
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| TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | I have always held players accountable. |
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IDOG_det
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TL is holding the players accountable buddy.
#TeamTL
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TL-TwoWinsAway
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| FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | I have always held players accountable. |
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The natural flow of things here at FF:
Phreak: *exaggeration*
Poster: *reasonable explanation*
Phreak: *Emoticon*
It's embarrassing.
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Moparguy
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| stylish313 wrote: | | LionsFan630 wrote: | | Well as of now we're picking 8th so that probably means we have a good shot at top end DE or CB since those appear to be BPA as of now. |
Don't like the DE's this year. Most are pretty under-sized, and there aren't any lockdown CB's either.
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What makes this worse is that I actually think its picking 10th. The picks are handed out in inverse order of strength of schedule based on the same records. So since we have a high end strength of schedule we will most likely pick last in that 4-8 group.
It really figures that now that they have a rookie wage structure in place the Lions will not pick high enough for the top talent when it wouldnt cost an arm and a leg |
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Moparguy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | yet if you criticise the playerrs, he defends them as well. According to TLwe have a perfect team. Well TL, take yourr Pettigrew and shove it up your rear |
Uh, yeah, I attack all unreasonable criticism equally. If you call Gosder the "worst starting RT in the NFL", or claim that Raiola "doesn't belong on the football field", I'll argue against those points. If you look past execution, and blame coaches, I'll argue against that as well.
I don't hate Pettigrew because I refuse to hold his draft spot against him. I don't hate Levy because I can empathize with the difficulty of changing positions in back-to-back (to-back) seasons. I wont hate Raiola because the DTs entering the league are becoming bigger, stronger and faster... the results are seen across the NFL. I wont blame Mayhew for the secondary because of the number of injuries and circumstances. I wont blame Schwartz for Hanson missing a game-winning 48 yard FG.
And I wont hold the roster Schwartz inherited against him.
But that's me being ridiculous. And that's fine: it makes getting away from this place that much more enjoyable. |
And therein lies your problem. If there is criticism you consider it unreasonable. You NEVER hold anyone accountable for their actions. I wish you would have been the judge when I got sent to prison, because I am certain it would not have been my fault.
I hate Pettigrew because he is not very good. You can make up any excuse you would like past that.
You won't blame anyone for anything ever. So your entire opinion seems ludicrous when that is brought to light. |
Completely and utterly false, but that's fine. You have always had to rely on exaggerations to prove points instead of forming arguments based on perspectives that actually exist. (Considering I'm holding Hanson, and not Schwartz, accountable for missing the 48 yard FG in this thread, I'd say that proves how wrong you are.)
Pettigrew is a decent football player. He's pretty good, but makes mistakes. He deserves to be starting, and he's still relatively young. That player is worth a draft pick. That is my perspective, and hasn't changed.
I have always held players accountable, just in a reasonable way. I always said Gosder was "decent, with upside". That statement in itself implies that he has flaws, and I've acknowledged what they are. Raiola is a "decent" center: I've admitted that he gets beaten by big DTs, but so do many of the centers in the NFL.
Stafford makes mistakes. Calvin drops passes. Blah blah blah. I have never said that anyone on this team is perfect... just that I wont be unreasonable in my criticism, and will argue against what I perceive to be unreasonable criticism.
Be glad I wasn't your judge. |
Tl- I get your point but here is where I differ
You said you blame Hanson for missing the 48 yard field goal. And you are right. BUT the terrible play calling leading to that kick is why it was 48 yards to begin with. And this year has shown that its not simply a one off issue. This is the Lions philosophy and regardless of the outcome they will continue to do the same thing. That is the problem. That they continue to blow leads because they dont recognize that
a) when it counts they are completely unable to run the ball
b) the spit and bailing wire holding the secondary together will allow the other team to march down the field.
c) that these issues exist and that they fail to adjust their strategy to compensate for their personal issues.
Do i think they need to change personel. Absolutely. But with a cap they can simply go sign better players mid season to fix the problem. At this point they have to use what they have. And the utter failure to recognize that this team simply cannot execute the plan they have laid out is ON THE COACHING STAFF. |
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FootballPhreak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | I have always held players accountable. |
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The natural flow of things here at FF:
Phreak: *exaggeration*
Poster: *reasonable explanation*
Phreak: *Emoticon*
It's embarrassing. |
TL: -Lie, exaggerate, defend, blame others for what he has done-
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IDOG_det
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | I have always held players accountable. |
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The natural flow of things here at FF:
Phreak: *exaggeration*
Poster: *reasonable explanation*
Phreak: *Emoticon*
It's embarrassing. |
TL: -Lie, exaggerate, defend, blame others for what he has done-
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Wow, are we 3 years old around here?
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diehardlionfan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | I have always held players accountable. |
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The natural flow of things here at FF:
Phreak: *exaggeration*
Poster: *reasonable explanation*
Phreak: *Emoticon*
It's embarrassing. |
TL: -Lie, exaggerate, defend, blame others for what he has done-
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TL gave you a very reasonable explanation on his thoughts about the players.
How about you kiss and make up?
We could sell tickets and give the proceeds to the Lions to help with their cap situation.
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FootballPhreak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| diehardlionfan wrote: | | TL gave you a very reasonable explanation on his thoughts about the players. |
No, he gave the same tired old answer he does to everything.
"Why don't you blame the coaches TL?"
"Because it is on the players"
"Why don't you blame the players TL?"
"because it is on the coaches"
I have came to believe he doesn't have an opinion. He is just Switzerland laying around waiting to start arguments with others. Without realizing how foolish it looks to anybody paying attention.
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IDOG_det
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| FootballPhreak wrote: | | diehardlionfan wrote: | | TL gave you a very reasonable explanation on his thoughts about the players. |
No, he gave the same tired old answer he does to everything.
"Why don't you blame the coaches TL?"
"Because it is on the players"
"Why don't you blame the players TL?"
"because it is on the coaches"
I have came to believe he doesn't have an opinion. He is just Switzerland laying around waiting to start arguments with others. Without realizing how foolish it looks to anybody paying attention. |
lol
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