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Its A Sabotage
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| Quote: | @GeneFrenette
Given all #Jaguars roster moves seem like shuffling deck chairs on Titanic, at least signing DE Babin could potentially help awful pass rush |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Another question is why would Shad allow Gene to add more money if he isn't going to be here? |
Could be something he signed off on? |
Or maybe someone else is calling the shots? Babin isnt exactly a GS guy....
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Mr. V
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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According to PFT, Babin can choose to be a free agent next year.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. V wrote: | | According to PFT, Babin can choose to be a free agent next year. |
Well, we'll at least have Babin for 5 games!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. V wrote: | | According to PFT, Babin can choose to be a free agent next year. |
after next season is over he can leave
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can't see how this hurts the team moving forward.
When he was cut, like every veteran who gets let go, I wondered if we'd make a move. Hopefully he can add something on the edge.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| green24 wrote: | | He made it all the way to the second team on the waiver wire. |
KC didnt want him ruining their chance at #1
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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I like this move. It really can't do anything but benefit us moving forward. We have the league low in sacks and if we had just a decent pass rush our team would be pretty different.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. V wrote: | | According to PFT, Babin can choose to be a free agent next year. |
and he can be cut without a cap hit on us
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I'm a fan of this pick-up. He is a premier pass-rusher and will be a bright spot on our defensive line. 3rd in the league since 2010 behind only DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen in sacks. Who cares about his contract? We didn't have to give up a pick to get him and if he plays well, which I think he will, it takes pressure off of us picking up more pass-rushers in the off-season. That way we can concentrate on picking up more OL help. Arrows all the way up on this pick-up. Not really a Gene Smith pick-up (if the stories of quitting on the team are true), but even Gene couldn't pass up this opportunity.
This would be the equivalent of Larry Fitzgerald being put on waivers as I still see him as the 3rd best WR the past few years. Kinda surprised there isn't more excitement over this pick-up.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| DjBuddaH wrote: | I'm a fan of this pick-up. He is a premier pass-rusher and will be a bright spot on our defensive line. 3rd in the league since 2010 behind only DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen in sacks. Who cares about his contract? We didn't have to give up a pick to get him and if he plays well, which I think he will, it takes pressure off of us picking up more pass-rushers in the off-season. That way we can concentrate on picking up more OL help. Arrows all the way up on this pick-up. Not really a Gene Smith pick-up (if the stories of quitting on the team are true), but even Gene couldn't pass up this opportunity.
This would be the equivalent of Larry Fitzgerald being put on waivers as I still see him as the 3rd best WR the past few years. Kinda surprised there isn't more excitement over this pick-up. |
He has only ever been successful in the Wide Nine, a technique where he has no responsibilities outside of rushing the passer every single play. The technique typically inflates pass rush numbers compared to actual ability, at the cost of getting gashed in the run game. He's shown to be terrible against the run when he's had to do that, and apparently he's not exactly a good teammate and reports are that he quit on the Eagles the last two games.
All of that said, I want him to be successful. It's just that there has to be tempered expectations when a system player who hasn't performed within his own system after getting a payday goes to a team that doesn't employ the system that he's been effective in.
And yes, I know the wide nine isn't a system.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | DjBuddaH wrote: | I'm a fan of this pick-up. He is a premier pass-rusher and will be a bright spot on our defensive line. 3rd in the league since 2010 behind only DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen in sacks. Who cares about his contract? We didn't have to give up a pick to get him and if he plays well, which I think he will, it takes pressure off of us picking up more pass-rushers in the off-season. That way we can concentrate on picking up more OL help. Arrows all the way up on this pick-up. Not really a Gene Smith pick-up (if the stories of quitting on the team are true), but even Gene couldn't pass up this opportunity.
This would be the equivalent of Larry Fitzgerald being put on waivers as I still see him as the 3rd best WR the past few years. Kinda surprised there isn't more excitement over this pick-up. |
He has only ever been successful in the Wide Nine, a technique where he has no responsibilities outside of rushing the passer every single play. The technique typically inflates pass rush numbers compared to actual ability, at the cost of getting gashed in the run game. He's shown to be terrible against the run when he's had to do that, and apparently he's not exactly a good teammate and reports are that he quit on the Eagles the last two games.
All of that said, I want him to be successful. It's just that there has to be tempered expectations when a system player who hasn't performed within his own system after getting a payday goes to a team that doesn't employ the system that he's been effective in.
And yes, I know the wide nine isn't a system. |
you make some good points, but i'd like to point out that where we seem to be weakest in terms of pass rush is on obvious passing downs. how many times have we had a team in a 3rd and long only to get absolute no pressure. we have to watch in horror time and time again as opposing offenses routinely convert 3rd & long situations against us. if he can even help just in those obvious passing situations i'm ok with the pickup.
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Its A Sabotage
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | This might not be a five-game move. Babin signed a five-year, $28.9 million contract with Philadelphia after the 2011 lockout.
The contract, according to a league source, is friendly to the Jaguars if they decide to move on after the year because it contains no big bonuses or guarantees, thus not impacting their salary cap situation.
Babin’s cap number is $4.625 million in 2013, followed by $6.475 million and $6.45 million. The combined signing/workout bonus next off-season is only $400,000. |
So we are now 26m over the cap.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Quote: | This might not be a five-game move. Babin signed a five-year, $28.9 million contract with Philadelphia after the 2011 lockout.
The contract, according to a league source, is friendly to the Jaguars if they decide to move on after the year because it contains no big bonuses or guarantees, thus not impacting their salary cap situation.
Babin’s cap number is $4.625 million in 2013, followed by $6.475 million and $6.45 million. The combined signing/workout bonus next off-season is only $400,000. |
So we are now 26m over the cap. |
But like $14 million under our cap number for the year because we rolled over ~$40 million from last year.
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Its A Sabotage
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Quote: | This might not be a five-game move. Babin signed a five-year, $28.9 million contract with Philadelphia after the 2011 lockout.
The contract, according to a league source, is friendly to the Jaguars if they decide to move on after the year because it contains no big bonuses or guarantees, thus not impacting their salary cap situation.
Babin’s cap number is $4.625 million in 2013, followed by $6.475 million and $6.45 million. The combined signing/workout bonus next off-season is only $400,000. |
So we are now 26m over the cap. |
But like $14 million under our cap number for the year because we rolled over ~$40 million from last year. |
Was a joke, guess I swung and missed....but god dam at 7m a year (with bonuses) I don't think he stays.
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