| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
AnAngryAmerican
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 17486
Location: Loveland, CO
|
 Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
|
| jgold72288 wrote: | Eh, as an Indy fan I wouldn't go THAT far. I always loved Dungy.
As crappy as our line has been since 07 or 08, before that it almost always did its job well. And the defense was actually a freakin' force, believe it or not, when Sanders and Freeney were on the field at the same time. Problem was that almost never happened. When it did (most of 05 and 07 regular seasons, 06 postseason), they were straight up dominant. Granted this Denver D could very well end up being better, especially if special teams are factored in. Out of curiosity, what happened since the Pats game that made them so much more dangerous? Have they gotten better at defending the run? More opportunistic regarding turnovers? |
I love Dungy as a person and I'm not saying he's a bad coach but I've always felt he is over-rated.
Our defense this year is #5 overall, #8 in passing and #2 against the run. We are #5 in points allowed, #2 in sacks, tired for #7 in INTs and #2 in defensive touchdowns. That's dominant, Indy's D never came close to that.
_________________
big_palooka:
Broncos CSU Rams Rockies Tiger Woods |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
SenorClean2k0
Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Posts: 506
Location: Cloud 9
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| jgold72288 wrote: | | AnAngryAmerican wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: | | This is the Broncos, not the Colts. PFM isn't 1-n-done prone, the Colts were. |
Exactly.
The Broncos have a better defense, a better OL and a better coaching staff than Indy had at any point in Peyton's 14 seasons there. |
Eh, as an Indy fan I wouldn't go THAT far. I always loved Dungy. As crappy as our line has been since 07 or 08, before that it almost always did its job well. And the defense was actually a freakin' force, believe it or not, when Sanders and Freeney were on the field at the same time. Problem was that almost never happened. When it did (most of 05 and 07 regular seasons, 06 postseason), they were straight up dominant. Granted this Denver D could very well end up being better, especially if special teams are factored in. Out of curiosity, what happened since the Pats game that made them so much more dangerous? Have they gotten better at defending the run? More opportunistic regarding turnovers? |
I feel like the offense has been playing much better earlier on in games (maybe because we've been playing easier teams, maybe not) which has led to the defense being able to play with the lead, which is really where they excel. When other teams are forced into passing the majority of the time, the Broncos can unleash their pass rush, which is really the D's strength.
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jgold72288
Joined: 09 Jul 2011
Posts: 506
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| AnAngryAmerican wrote: | | jgold72288 wrote: | Eh, as an Indy fan I wouldn't go THAT far. I always loved Dungy.
As crappy as our line has been since 07 or 08, before that it almost always did its job well. And the defense was actually a freakin' force, believe it or not, when Sanders and Freeney were on the field at the same time. Problem was that almost never happened. When it did (most of 05 and 07 regular seasons, 06 postseason), they were straight up dominant. Granted this Denver D could very well end up being better, especially if special teams are factored in. Out of curiosity, what happened since the Pats game that made them so much more dangerous? Have they gotten better at defending the run? More opportunistic regarding turnovers? |
I love Dungy as a person and I'm not saying he's a bad coach but I've always felt he is over-rated.
Our defense this year is #5 overall, #8 in passing and #2 against the run. We are #5 in points allowed, #2 in sacks, tired for #7 in INTs and #2 in defensive touchdowns. That's dominant, Indy's D never came close to that. |
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2007.htm You were saying? 1st in points, 3rd in yards, 4th in net yards/passing attempt, 6th in yards/rushing attempt. Just a shame Freeney went out for the year in the regular season Chargers game. Defense was a joke against them in the postseason.
Granted, when you look at points per drive they fell a little bit, but they were still 5th overall compared to Denver's 7th so far this year.
_________________
"He used statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts; for support rather than illumination."
-Andrew Lang |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jgold72288
Joined: 09 Jul 2011
Posts: 506
|
| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| SenorClean2k0 wrote: | | jgold72288 wrote: | | AnAngryAmerican wrote: | | Cutler06 wrote: | | This is the Broncos, not the Colts. PFM isn't 1-n-done prone, the Colts were. |
Exactly.
The Broncos have a better defense, a better OL and a better coaching staff than Indy had at any point in Peyton's 14 seasons there. |
Eh, as an Indy fan I wouldn't go THAT far. I always loved Dungy. As crappy as our line has been since 07 or 08, before that it almost always did its job well. And the defense was actually a freakin' force, believe it or not, when Sanders and Freeney were on the field at the same time. Problem was that almost never happened. When it did (most of 05 and 07 regular seasons, 06 postseason), they were straight up dominant. Granted this Denver D could very well end up being better, especially if special teams are factored in. Out of curiosity, what happened since the Pats game that made them so much more dangerous? Have they gotten better at defending the run? More opportunistic regarding turnovers? |
I feel like the offense has been playing much better earlier on in games (maybe because we've been playing easier teams, maybe not) which has led to the defense being able to play with the lead, which is really where they excel. When other teams are forced into passing the majority of the time, the Broncos can unleash their pass rush, which is really the D's strength. |
Yeah that works great some of the time. Then some stupid penalty ends an early offensive drive or a fumble happens and the other team keeps rushing enough to hold steady with your offense. I pray it doesn't happen, Denver is my new co-number one team, but if the offense can keep pace with Peyton in a dogfight or the possessions are limited because the clock hemorrhages time with their rushes then a lot of those games will end up being 50/50. Whatevs, I'm just glad the number 2 seed is in y'alls hands now.
_________________
"He used statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts; for support rather than illumination."
-Andrew Lang |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
copeland
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
Posts: 603
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
If we do actually make it to the super bowl this year, I hope like hell it involves beating the Pats to get there. There is nothing like beating the teams you should to be regarded as the best that year.
I don't like the matchup any more than the rest of you, but IOM it has to come to pass in order to call the Broncos champs. "To be the best, you have to beat the best". Pats have had our number for a while, no doubt. It's inevitable we meet in the playoffs. I welcome it. If we can't get the job done, we don't deserve to be in the big show.
_________________
I long for the days when giving your word, with a firm handshake, was the "signature on the contract." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AnAngryAmerican
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 17486
Location: Loveland, CO
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| copeland wrote: | | If we do actually make it to the super bowl this year, I hope like hell it involves beating the Pats to get there. |
Damn straight!
_________________
big_palooka:
Broncos CSU Rams Rockies Tiger Woods |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
paul-mac
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 6379
Location: Scotland
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
I wonder how much of a hard time Josh will get from the crowd...
Please let the game be in Denver 
_________________
| Big Palooka wrote: | | Broncos won't make the playoffs |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ToastedOats
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 2938
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| paul-mac wrote: | I wonder how much of a hard time Josh will get from the crowd...
Please let the game be in Denver |
Please let this be true, please let this be true, please let this be true. I have changed my wish list to Santa and this is Number One  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AKRNA
Joined: 28 May 2008
Posts: 4410
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| copeland wrote: | If we do actually make it to the super bowl this year, I hope like hell it involves beating the Pats to get there. There is nothing like beating the teams you should to be regarded as the best that year.
I don't like the matchup any more than the rest of you, but IOM it has to come to pass in order to call the Broncos champs. "To be the best, you have to beat the best". Pats have had our number for a while, no doubt. It's inevitable we meet in the playoffs. I welcome it. If we can't get the job done, we don't deserve to be in the big show. |
Ya hit the nail on the head! It'd only be fair to have our 2nd shot at the Pats in Denver. Then finish off the next week in Houston.
The team isn't afraid of either one and has improved immensely since they first met. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AnAngryAmerican
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 17486
Location: Loveland, CO
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| paul-mac wrote: | | I wonder how much of a hard time Josh will get from the crowd... |
Well, in his last game in Denver he had to be escorted off the field while surrounded by cops using the emergency exit behind the Broncos bench because stadium security was worried about his physical safety if he entered and exited the field through the tunnel. Frankly, that is a sad statement about Broncos fans. I disliked what Mac did here as much as anyone, and probably more than most, but no one be in physical danger for being a bad football coach.
That said, I cannot imagine he will be treated kindly on January 12/13. Let's just say I expect him to order room service from the team hotel for his dinner the night before the game. It would be unwise for him to go out to eat.
_________________
big_palooka:
Broncos CSU Rams Rockies Tiger Woods |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
paul-mac
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 6379
Location: Scotland
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| AKRNA wrote: | | copeland wrote: | If we do actually make it to the super bowl this year, I hope like hell it involves beating the Pats to get there. There is nothing like beating the teams you should to be regarded as the best that year.
I don't like the matchup any more than the rest of you, but IOM it has to come to pass in order to call the Broncos champs. "To be the best, you have to beat the best". Pats have had our number for a while, no doubt. It's inevitable we meet in the playoffs. I welcome it. If we can't get the job done, we don't deserve to be in the big show. |
Ya hit the nail on the head! It'd only be fair to have our 2nd shot at the Pats in Denver. Then finish off the next week in Houston.
The team isn't afraid of either one and has improved immensely since they first met. |
My dream scenario is someone goes and wins in Houston and then has to visit Denver for a flight to New Orleans.
_________________
| Big Palooka wrote: | | Broncos won't make the playoffs |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AKRNA
Joined: 28 May 2008
Posts: 4410
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| paul-mac wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | copeland wrote: | If we do actually make it to the super bowl this year, I hope like hell it involves beating the Pats to get there. There is nothing like beating the teams you should to be regarded as the best that year.
I don't like the matchup any more than the rest of you, but IOM it has to come to pass in order to call the Broncos champs. "To be the best, you have to beat the best". Pats have had our number for a while, no doubt. It's inevitable we meet in the playoffs. I welcome it. If we can't get the job done, we don't deserve to be in the big show. |
Ya hit the nail on the head! It'd only be fair to have our 2nd shot at the Pats in Denver. Then finish off the next week in Houston.
The team isn't afraid of either one and has improved immensely since they first met. |
My dream scenario is someone goes and wins in Houston and then has to visit Denver for a flight to New Orleans. |
Nah, I agree with copeland. The best scenario in my mind is to finish the season by avenging our 3 losses. NE 1st, Texans next and the Falcons in ths SB. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Russell2Bailey
Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 12482
Location: Where I will, I'll roam.
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
I think as long as Peyton doesn't throw a crapload of picks against the Falcons in the SB, we potentially could wreck them.
Peyton Manning in a shootout against their defense > Matt Ryan in a shootout against the best pass rush in the NFL and one of the best secondaries.
_________________
Von Miller Stat Tracker- 68 Tackles. 15 TFL. 18.5 sacks. 6 FF. 3 PD. 1 Pick 6. 6 Man Cards. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
paul-mac
Joined: 12 Jul 2009
Posts: 6379
Location: Scotland
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| AKRNA wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | copeland wrote: | If we do actually make it to the super bowl this year, I hope like hell it involves beating the Pats to get there. There is nothing like beating the teams you should to be regarded as the best that year.
I don't like the matchup any more than the rest of you, but IOM it has to come to pass in order to call the Broncos champs. "To be the best, you have to beat the best". Pats have had our number for a while, no doubt. It's inevitable we meet in the playoffs. I welcome it. If we can't get the job done, we don't deserve to be in the big show. |
Ya hit the nail on the head! It'd only be fair to have our 2nd shot at the Pats in Denver. Then finish off the next week in Houston.
The team isn't afraid of either one and has improved immensely since they first met. |
My dream scenario is someone goes and wins in Houston and then has to visit Denver for a flight to New Orleans. |
Nah, I agree with copeland. The best scenario in my mind is to finish the season by avenging our 3 losses. NE 1st, Texans next and the Falcons in ths SB. |
Has any team ever gone through an entire season(inc. playoffs) and beaten every time they ever played?
And as I'm saying that I realise the 2007 Patriots achieved this as they beat the Giants in the regular season.
_________________
| Big Palooka wrote: | | Broncos won't make the playoffs |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bobdevine
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Posts: 1727
Location: Wisconsin
|
| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
After today's games, the Broncos have a shot at the #1 seed. Broncos and Texans are tied at 12-3. With a Broncos win next week (at home vs KC) plus a Texans loss (away game at Indy), the Broncos will claim #1. Any other scenario leaves the Broncos as 2nd seed.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
