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Rhetoric is the perfect word here. I think most people would disagree if you just questioned Bradford's toughness...but you went a step further in your rhetoric. You compared him to a little girl.
I think that says a lot here. |
Yes while we are on the topic of rhetoric, lets get into another form of literary terms that quite often gets confused over the internet: exaggeration
But anyways regarding Sam Bradfords toughness all im saying is from a physical standpoint he is not. A tough quarterback strikes fear into the opponent physically, is very aggressive getting out of the pocket, and doesn’t go down at the first touch of a defender .Ben Rothlesburger is an example of a tough qb, dragging defenders for first downs things like that. Just because a quarterback takes a lot of hits doesn’t make him "tough" by that logic David Carr is the toughest quarterback of all time. |
David Carr was actually pretty damn tough. The amount of hits and beating he took behind that OL was unfathomable. The fact that he started all 16 games in 4 out of his 5 years in Houston is unbelievable.
As for Big Ben, I disagree. Big Ben is a physically imposing QB. There's a difference. Not to say he also isn't tough but toughness to me relates more to your ability to take a beating and keep on fighting through the pain.
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Ben will always let you know when he has even a hang nail. He likes to make sure you know he is hurt, just incase he has a bad game. It's one of the most embarrassing and "soft" traits of any QB in the NFL.
Your definition of toughness is courious to say the least. |
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| ctp2124 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | Quote: |
Rhetoric is the perfect word here. I think most people would disagree if you just questioned Bradford's toughness...but you went a step further in your rhetoric. You compared him to a little girl.
I think that says a lot here. |
Yes while we are on the topic of rhetoric, lets get into another form of literary terms that quite often gets confused over the internet: exaggeration
But anyways regarding Sam Bradfords toughness all im saying is from a physical standpoint he is not. A tough quarterback strikes fear into the opponent physically, is very aggressive getting out of the pocket, and doesn’t go down at the first touch of a defender .Ben Rothlesburger is an example of a tough qb, dragging defenders for first downs things like that. Just because a quarterback takes a lot of hits doesn’t make him "tough" by that logic David Carr is the toughest quarterback of all time. |
Bradford cannot physically drag opponents to get a first down. Neither can Eli Manning, and no one questions his toughness. |
I do.
But for real, Eli has rings, thats why you don't often hear him being criticized.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| StLunatic88 wrote: | Ben will always let you know when he has even a hang nail. He likes to make sure you know he is hurt, just incase he has a bad game. It's one of the most embarrassing and "soft" traits of any QB in the NFL.
Your definition of toughness is courious to say the least. |
Interesting idea, but you do have anything to back it up? Seems hard to me to distinguish between legitimate injuries and what you're talking about. Especially for someone who is not a part of the team.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | Quote: |
Rhetoric is the perfect word here. I think most people would disagree if you just questioned Bradford's toughness...but you went a step further in your rhetoric. You compared him to a little girl.
I think that says a lot here. |
Yes while we are on the topic of rhetoric, lets get into another form of literary terms that quite often gets confused over the internet: exaggeration
But anyways regarding Sam Bradfords toughness all im saying is from a physical standpoint he is not. A tough quarterback strikes fear into the opponent physically, is very aggressive getting out of the pocket, and doesn’t go down at the first touch of a defender .Ben Rothlesburger is an example of a tough qb, dragging defenders for first downs things like that. Just because a quarterback takes a lot of hits doesn’t make him "tough" by that logic David Carr is the toughest quarterback of all time. |
David Carr was actually pretty damn tough. The amount of hits and beating he took behind that OL was unfathomable. The fact that he started all 16 games in 4 out of his 5 years in Houston is unbelievable.
As for Big Ben, I disagree. Big Ben is a physically imposing QB. There's a difference. Not to say he also isn't tough but toughness to me relates more to your ability to take a beating and keep on fighting through the pain. |
So long as we are defining "toughness" here........
Toughness to me is actually a mental thing, not a physical thing. Mental toughness can be gauged from several things; the regularity with which QBs react to "phantom pressure", a QBs performance during critical game moments (including while in the red zone, not just the final 2 minutes of a half), and willingness to execute thorough throwing mechanics when a big hit is immanent.
In those areas, I simply cannot give Bradford glowing remarks. He's got heart though, and skill. He's taken a whole lot of hits throughout his brief career, and very few QBs ever really overcome that.
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| The J.R.S. wrote: | | ctp2124 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | Quote: |
Rhetoric is the perfect word here. I think most people would disagree if you just questioned Bradford's toughness...but you went a step further in your rhetoric. You compared him to a little girl.
I think that says a lot here. |
Yes while we are on the topic of rhetoric, lets get into another form of literary terms that quite often gets confused over the internet: exaggeration
But anyways regarding Sam Bradfords toughness all im saying is from a physical standpoint he is not. A tough quarterback strikes fear into the opponent physically, is very aggressive getting out of the pocket, and doesn’t go down at the first touch of a defender .Ben Rothlesburger is an example of a tough qb, dragging defenders for first downs things like that. Just because a quarterback takes a lot of hits doesn’t make him "tough" by that logic David Carr is the toughest quarterback of all time. |
Bradford cannot physically drag opponents to get a first down. Neither can Eli Manning, and no one questions his toughness. |
I do.
But for real, Eli has rings, thats why you don't often hear him being criticized. |
Eli Manning is one of the toughest players in the league. He hasn't missed a start in like 7 years. He took an absolute beating against the 49ers in the NFC Championship game last year yet still stayed in the pocket to make the tough throws.
No idea why you would ever question his toughness.
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Well, at least Sam is tougher than Tom Brady...
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| The J.R.S. wrote: | | StLunatic88 wrote: | Ben will always let you know when he has even a hang nail. He likes to make sure you know he is hurt, just incase he has a bad game. It's one of the most embarrassing and "soft" traits of any QB in the NFL.
Your definition of toughness is courious to say the least. |
Interesting idea, but you do have anything to back it up? Seems hard to me to distinguish between legitimate injuries and what you're talking about. Especially for someone who is not a part of the team. |
Im not going to go back and dig up all his quotes, but every time he has an ankle or one of his fingers is banged up, or a pulled something, He will bring it up in post practice interviews mid week. He wont ever actually use it as an excuse post game, but he plants the seed mid week so people know during the game.
Scott Van Pelt and Ryen Russillo talk about it all the time, and the guys on the Dan Patrick Show do to. I think at one point they had a montage of Ben talking about his injuries. |
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| jrry32 wrote: | Well, at least Sam is tougher than Tom Brady...
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 that's just to funny, I'll get him, oh crap, number 29 looks really scary running at me, if anybody asks me, i thought that there where two players blocking for him, okay I tried, must get away from this scary man now, good play Dashon on my behalf, lol.
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| StLunatic88 wrote: | | The J.R.S. wrote: | | StLunatic88 wrote: | Ben will always let you know when he has even a hang nail. He likes to make sure you know he is hurt, just incase he has a bad game. It's one of the most embarrassing and "soft" traits of any QB in the NFL.
Your definition of toughness is courious to say the least. |
Interesting idea, but you do have anything to back it up? Seems hard to me to distinguish between legitimate injuries and what you're talking about. Especially for someone who is not a part of the team. |
Im not going to go back and dig up all his quotes, but every time he has an ankle or one of his fingers is banged up, or a pulled something, He will bring it up in post practice interviews mid week. He wont ever actually use it as an excuse post game, but he plants the seed mid week so people know during the game.
Scott Van Pelt and Ryen Russillo talk about it all the time, and the guys on the Dan Patrick Show do to. I think at one point they had a montage of Ben talking about his injuries. |
Hmm, I wonder if he was provoked by people asking as to his health (after all, he's been "injured" for forever").
I'll take your word for it though.
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Still my favorite quarterback being a wimp moment
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HAHA he was like "Sh*t man... Calm down."
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| NVRamsFan wrote: | Still my favorite quarterback being a wimp moment
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Good ol'e Sanchize.
... I will never forget Jets fans thinking this guy was on his way to a great career. Oh, man!
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| Selkiesxx wrote: | | NVRamsFan wrote: | Still my favorite quarterback being a wimp moment
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Good ol'e Sanchize.
... I will never forget Jets fans thinking this guy was on his way to a great career. Oh, man! |
Good ole OC surfer football players 
"Whoaa... Chill out brah"
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| Selkiesxx wrote: | | NVRamsFan wrote: | Still my favorite quarterback being a wimp moment
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Good ol'e Sanchize.
... I will never forget Jets fans thinking this guy was on his way to a great career. Oh, man! |
I'll never forget arguing with countless posters on this site when they said he was the better prospect than Stafford. It seems hard to imagine now, but trust me, that was a big debate.
Sanchez has never had the skills to be an elite QB, and lacks the work ethic to overcome that deficiency.
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