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if we surround him with 10 pro bowl players, i'm pretty sure the rams will make the playoffs.
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| El ramster wrote: | | So what are you feelings about him now? 2 games left.. |
If we go by his numbers since the bye, it looks very possible that he ends the year with 22 TDs to 12 ints, a QBR in the 83ish range, around 3600 yards, a completion percentage around 60% and a YPA near 7.
If you look at the expectations going into the year, I'd say that meets or exceeds the majority of them. He's earned a year 4.
That all said, he missed some really big throws and blew some big chances in this game. He really needs to step it up. A #1 WR will help as will protection but even still, Sam can't be missing an open Givens down the sideline.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | El ramster wrote: | | So what are you feelings about him now? 2 games left.. |
If we go by his numbers since the bye, it looks very possible that he ends the year with 22 TDs to 12 ints, a QBR in the 83ish range, around 3600 yards, a completion percentage around 60% and a YPA near 7.
If you look at the expectations going into the year, I'd say that meets or exceeds the majority of them. He's earned a year 4.
That all said, he missed some really big throws and blew some big chances in this game. He really needs to step it up. A #1 WR will help as will protection but even still, Sam can't be missing an open Givens down the sideline. |
he also missed danny amendola wide open in the end zone on that last 4th down pass on the last drive
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| tim199009 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | El ramster wrote: | | So what are you feelings about him now? 2 games left.. |
If we go by his numbers since the bye, it looks very possible that he ends the year with 22 TDs to 12 ints, a QBR in the 83ish range, around 3600 yards, a completion percentage around 60% and a YPA near 7.
If you look at the expectations going into the year, I'd say that meets or exceeds the majority of them. He's earned a year 4.
That all said, he missed some really big throws and blew some big chances in this game. He really needs to step it up. A #1 WR will help as will protection but even still, Sam can't be missing an open Givens down the sideline. |
he also missed danny amendola wide open in the end zone on that last 4th down pass on the last drive |
I think that was the 3rd down pass when he checked down to Richardson.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | El ramster wrote: | | So what are you feelings about him now? 2 games left.. |
If we go by his numbers since the bye, it looks very possible that he ends the year with 22 TDs to 12 ints, a QBR in the 83ish range, around 3600 yards, a completion percentage around 60% and a YPA near 7.
If you look at the expectations going into the year, I'd say that meets or exceeds the majority of them. He's earned a year 4.
That all said, he missed some really big throws and blew some big chances in this game. He really needs to step it up. A #1 WR will help as will protection but even still, Sam can't be missing an open Givens down the sideline. |
he also missed danny amendola wide open in the end zone on that last 4th down pass on the last drive |
I think that was the 3rd down pass when he checked down to Richardson. |
yea thats the one, he had em right there in the seams, got me so mad because if he completes that pass than we were just an onside kick away.
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| tim199009 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | El ramster wrote: | | So what are you feelings about him now? 2 games left.. |
If we go by his numbers since the bye, it looks very possible that he ends the year with 22 TDs to 12 ints, a QBR in the 83ish range, around 3600 yards, a completion percentage around 60% and a YPA near 7.
If you look at the expectations going into the year, I'd say that meets or exceeds the majority of them. He's earned a year 4.
That all said, he missed some really big throws and blew some big chances in this game. He really needs to step it up. A #1 WR will help as will protection but even still, Sam can't be missing an open Givens down the sideline. |
he also missed danny amendola wide open in the end zone on that last 4th down pass on the last drive |
I think that was the 3rd down pass when he checked down to Richardson. |
yea thats the one, he had em right there in the seams, got me so mad because if he completes that pass than we were just an onside kick away. |
Well, we were both raging then. Saw the same thing. Just had to lead Amendola into the seam between the 2 safeties and he had an easy TD.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | tim199009 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | El ramster wrote: | | So what are you feelings about him now? 2 games left.. |
If we go by his numbers since the bye, it looks very possible that he ends the year with 22 TDs to 12 ints, a QBR in the 83ish range, around 3600 yards, a completion percentage around 60% and a YPA near 7.
If you look at the expectations going into the year, I'd say that meets or exceeds the majority of them. He's earned a year 4.
That all said, he missed some really big throws and blew some big chances in this game. He really needs to step it up. A #1 WR will help as will protection but even still, Sam can't be missing an open Givens down the sideline. |
he also missed danny amendola wide open in the end zone on that last 4th down pass on the last drive |
I think that was the 3rd down pass when he checked down to Richardson. |
yea thats the one, he had em right there in the seams, got me so mad because if he completes that pass than we were just an onside kick away. |
Well, we were both raging then. Saw the same thing. Just had to lead Amendola into the seam between the 2 safeties and he had an easy TD. |
Yea exactly... lord knows why the kid would throw a pass in the field of play with no timeouts and the game on the line.
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Despite the gaudy statistics, 3 TDs-370 yards, this was a very poorly played game by Sam Bradford. He made throws after they went to soft defenses, and during what was essentially garbage time. He gave the game away in the first half for christ's sake.
I've been saying it all year, and todays game provided a good example; Bradford is terrible when presented with even minimal pressure. He goes down to easy, doesn't keep his eyes down field, and struggles to avoid the first rusher. As long as this continues to be the case he is going to struggle.
It is time to bring in competition for Sam, he has been way to comfortable in his job security. I'd like to see a mid-round pick (2-4) used on a QB with upside.
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| You're calling yesterday "minimal pressure"? |
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| The J.R.S. wrote: | | Despite the gaudy statistics, 3 TDs-370 yards, this was a very poorly played game by Sam Bradford. He made throws after they went to soft defenses, and during what was essentially garbage time. He gave the game away in the first half for christ's sake. |
Except they didn't go to soft defense. They were blitzing him and running the same C2 shell until the end. There was 1 drive where they didn't blitz which was the first TD drive of the second half.
| Quote: | | I've been saying it all year, and todays game provided a good example; Bradford is terrible when presented with even minimal pressure. He goes down to easy, doesn't keep his eyes down field, and struggles to avoid the first rusher. As long as this continues to be the case he is going to struggle. |
Yea, typically when a QB is getting pressured often and quickly, they play poorly. Even the great ones.
As for him going down easy, he broke Kevin Williams's arm tackle to avoid a sack and lengthened a couple plays by climbing in the pocket and scrambling.
And most pocket passer struggle to avoid rushers.
| Quote: | | It is time to bring in competition for Sam, he has been way to comfortable in his job security. I'd like to see a mid-round pick (2-4) used on a QB with upside. |
I don't agree. Unless there's tremendous value like Kirk Cousins was, it would be a colossal mistake. We have far too many needs to use an important pick 2nd to 4th round pick on a QB. I'd be fine with a late round pick being used on a QB.
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| StLunatic88 wrote: | | You're calling yesterday "minimal pressure"? |
No, nor do I see how you derived that from my post.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | The J.R.S. wrote: | | Despite the gaudy statistics, 3 TDs-370 yards, this was a very poorly played game by Sam Bradford. He made throws after they went to soft defenses, and during what was essentially garbage time. He gave the game away in the first half for christ's sake. |
Except they didn't go to soft defense. They were blitzing him and running the same C2 shell until the end. There was 1 drive where they didn't blitz which was the first TD drive of the second half.
| Quote: | | I've been saying it all year, and todays game provided a good example; Bradford is terrible when presented with even minimal pressure. He goes down to easy, doesn't keep his eyes down field, and struggles to avoid the first rusher. As long as this continues to be the case he is going to struggle. |
Yea, typically when a QB is getting pressured often and quickly, they play poorly. Even the great ones.
As for him going down easy, he broke Kevin Williams's arm tackle to avoid a sack and lengthened a couple plays by climbing in the pocket and scrambling.
And most pocket passer struggle to avoid rushers.
| Quote: | | It is time to bring in competition for Sam, he has been way to comfortable in his job security. I'd like to see a mid-round pick (2-4) used on a QB with upside. |
I don't agree. Unless there's tremendous value like Kirk Cousins was, it would be a colossal mistake. We have far too many needs to use an important pick 2nd to 4th round pick on a QB. I'd be fine with a late round pick being used on a QB. |
I strongly disagree that "most pocket passers struggle to avoid rushers." Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, the other Manning (Eli), Cutler, Romo, Rivers, ect. all know how to avoid initial pressure.
If you are referring to "non-mobile" QBs having trouble avoiding the rush, then yeah, duh, they struggle. You don't have to be fast to elude pressure while in the pocket, you just have to have balls, an area I see Sam lacking in. I would say "time will tell", but it kind of already has. If he can't learn to avoid the rush, this offense will never be better than mediocre under his direction.
Look man, I think Bradford has the physical skills to turn around his play, but we are two games away from the conclusion of the season and I have not noticed any measurable improvement in his game.
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I've noticed strides in Sam's game. Once in a while i find him going back to his old self but most of the time, he's a new QB. I like it. 100% faith in Sam.
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I strongly disagree that "most pocket passers struggle to avoid rushers." Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, the other Manning (Eli), Cutler, Romo, Rivers, ect. all know how to avoid initial pressure. |
Romo is not what I'd call a pocket passer. I've seen Sam avoid pass rushers in much of the same way I've seen the others avoid rushers but when you have multiple rushers break free or have free rushers, the QB is typically dead to rights.
| Quote: | | If you are referring to "non-mobile" QBs having trouble avoiding the rush, then yeah, duh, they struggle. You don't have to be fast to elude pressure while in the pocket, you just have to have balls, an area I see Sam lacking in. I would say "time will tell", but it kind of already has. If he can't learn to avoid the rush, this offense will never be better than mediocre under his direction. |
Again, I've seen him utilize many of the same methods as those guys mentioned and he's avoided at least 1 sack a week since the bye. Gotten much better at it as the year has gone on.
| Quote: | | Look man, I think Bradford has the physical skills to turn around his play, but we are two games away from the conclusion of the season and I have not noticed any measurable improvement in his game. |
Then you haven't been paying attention because his game has improved in every single measurable way.
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| The J.R.S. wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | The J.R.S. wrote: | | Despite the gaudy statistics, 3 TDs-370 yards, this was a very poorly played game by Sam Bradford. He made throws after they went to soft defenses, and during what was essentially garbage time. He gave the game away in the first half for christ's sake. |
Except they didn't go to soft defense. They were blitzing him and running the same C2 shell until the end. There was 1 drive where they didn't blitz which was the first TD drive of the second half.
| Quote: | | I've been saying it all year, and todays game provided a good example; Bradford is terrible when presented with even minimal pressure. He goes down to easy, doesn't keep his eyes down field, and struggles to avoid the first rusher. As long as this continues to be the case he is going to struggle. |
Yea, typically when a QB is getting pressured often and quickly, they play poorly. Even the great ones.
As for him going down easy, he broke Kevin Williams's arm tackle to avoid a sack and lengthened a couple plays by climbing in the pocket and scrambling.
And most pocket passer struggle to avoid rushers.
| Quote: | | It is time to bring in competition for Sam, he has been way to comfortable in his job security. I'd like to see a mid-round pick (2-4) used on a QB with upside. |
I don't agree. Unless there's tremendous value like Kirk Cousins was, it would be a colossal mistake. We have far too many needs to use an important pick 2nd to 4th round pick on a QB. I'd be fine with a late round pick being used on a QB. |
I strongly disagree that "most pocket passers struggle to avoid rushers." Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, the other Manning (Eli), Cutler, Romo, Rivers, ect. all know how to avoid initial pressure.
If you are referring to "non-mobile" QBs having trouble avoiding the rush, then yeah, duh, they struggle. You don't have to be fast to elude pressure while in the pocket, you just have to have balls, an area I see Sam lacking in. I would say "time will tell", but it kind of already has. If he can't learn to avoid the rush, this offense will never be better than mediocre under his direction.
Look man, I think Bradford has the physical skills to turn around his play, but we are two games away from the conclusion of the season and I have not noticed any measurable improvement in his game. |
Couldn't disagree with you more, his toughness shouldn't be questioned.
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