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| willy_law wrote: | | we do not need to upgrade the offensive line they are solid. |
Our OL is terrible. We don't know if JP will be the same, toddfather is better inside, Kelce should be at full health, Mathis is decent but that leaves RT. where Joeckel will go.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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OL needs to get healthy but clearly we need to upgrade depth.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Phire wrote: | | OL needs to get healthy but clearly we need to upgrade depth. |
And young guys to take over in the future.
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Dr. Philly
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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RB, ILB, K, and FB really
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| oland11 wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | | we do not need to upgrade the offensive line they are solid. |
Our OL is terrible. We don't know if JP will be the same, toddfather is better inside, Kelce should be at full health, Mathis is decent but that leaves RT. where Joeckel will go. |
Adding Jockel and a free agent guard (would love Levitre if he hits the market, but at minimum solid depth to push Mathis) really cures alot of the OL problems.
If Peters is healthy you go: Peters/Herremans/Kelce/Mathis-FA/Jockel
If Peters is not healthy you go: Jockel/Mathis-FA/Kelce/Mathis-FA/Herremans
Either way, a lot better than what we have out there now...
Would still want to improve depth behind that as well - going to see alot of turnover on the roster this year - lot of low-end depth signings. Like what Grigson did with the Colts - going to churn the bottom of the roster. |
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oland11
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| PhiCelek87 wrote: | | oland11 wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | | we do not need to upgrade the offensive line they are solid. |
Our OL is terrible. We don't know if JP will be the same, toddfather is better inside, Kelce should be at full health, Mathis is decent but that leaves RT. where Joeckel will go. |
Adding Jockel and a free agent guard (would love Levitre if he hits the market, but at minimum solid depth to push Mathis) really cures alot of the OL problems.
If Peters is healthy you go: Peters/Herremans/Kelce/Mathis-FA/Jockel
If Peters is not healthy you go: Jockel/Mathis-FA/Kelce/Mathis-FA/Herremans
Either way, a lot better than what we have out there now...
Would still want to improve depth behind that as well - going to see alot of turnover on the roster this year - lot of low-end depth signings. Like what Grigson did with the Colts - going to churn the bottom of the roster. |
I would rather have a proven veteran(Herremans) be starting at RG if Joeckel starts at RT. Because Evan Mathis was made famous by Jason Peters. And also if you're Luke Joeckel and you're looking to your left for help, would you prefer the guy who has been here his entire career or the guy who has been here for 2 seasons?
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ninjapirate
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think at full health we only need a right guard, I think drafting Joeckel to fill that hole is a huge waste of a high pick.
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MJG123
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If Peters is fine and can play LT, then no need to go Joeckel to play RT. You don't draft a RT in the top 5.
If we go RT first round, then we should trade down to acquire more picks and grab one of the following RTs in the first: Matthews, Lewan. Or, one of the following RTs in the second: Williams, Fisher, Fluker. |
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No position is is untouchable or changable!!! Everything is up in the air.. who knows what we will run scheme wise on both sides of the ball.. so it could be any one.
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | I think at full health we only need a right guard, I think drafting Joeckel to fill that hole is a huge waste of a high pick. |
But if we "wasted" that high pick on someone that could play tackle then Herremans can kick inside to improve the line as a whole.
Personally, I don't want anyone penciled in the starting line-up that wasn't at least a first or high second round pick and the O-Line is something that unquestionably needs to be upgraded through both health and depth.
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| Hockey5djh wrote: | | Personally, I don't want anyone penciled in the starting line-up that wasn't at least a first or high second round pick and the O-Line is something that unquestionably needs to be upgraded through both health and depth. |
Peters? Herremans? If those two are healthy, you wouldn't want them penciled in as starters for 2013?
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If healthy: Peters. Herremans, Kelce & Mathis should all be starters. But those are some big If's and depending on system. And where the different players will play.
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ninjapirate
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| Hockey5djh wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | I think at full health we only need a right guard, I think drafting Joeckel to fill that hole is a huge waste of a high pick. |
But if we "wasted" that high pick on someone that could play tackle then Herremans can kick inside to improve the line as a whole.
Personally, I don't want anyone penciled in the starting line-up that wasn't at least a first or high second round pick and the O-Line is something that unquestionably needs to be upgraded through both health and depth. |
Drafting a left tackle and then playing line shuffle is a weird way to fix a hole at right guard.
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marky_b27
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ninjapirate wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | I think at full health we only need a right guard, I think drafting Joeckel to fill that hole is a huge waste of a high pick. |
But if we "wasted" that high pick on someone that could play tackle then Herremans can kick inside to improve the line as a whole.
Personally, I don't want anyone penciled in the starting line-up that wasn't at least a first or high second round pick and the O-Line is something that unquestionably needs to be upgraded through both health and depth. |
Drafting a left tackle and then playing line shuffle is a weird way to fix a hole at right guard. |
But you get people in the natural position - Peters started off as a RT, Herremans [u]is[/i] as LG and Mathis played RG
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ninjapirate
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | Hockey5djh wrote: | | ninjapirate wrote: | | I think at full health we only need a right guard, I think drafting Joeckel to fill that hole is a huge waste of a high pick. |
But if we "wasted" that high pick on someone that could play tackle then Herremans can kick inside to improve the line as a whole.
Personally, I don't want anyone penciled in the starting line-up that wasn't at least a first or high second round pick and the O-Line is something that unquestionably needs to be upgraded through both health and depth. |
Drafting a left tackle and then playing line shuffle is a weird way to fix a hole at right guard. |
But you get people in the natural position - Peters started off as a RT, Herremans [u]is[/i] as LG and Mathis played RG |
But you get the most for your money if Peters is LT, Herremans is RT and Mathis is LG.
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