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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?
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People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?


Huh?
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marky_b27 wrote:
Meco wrote:
People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?


Huh?

We need a physical wide receiver.
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marky_b27 wrote:
Meco wrote:
People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?


Huh?


Upgrade receivers who can handle the hits of the middle of the field, who are taller than 6 ft and can take double teams.

You can hate on Celek, but he's in the same position as Jackson and Maclin. Are they perfect? No. Can they be upgraded? Of course they can. However do we change them for change sake? No, that's not the way to do it.
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LOLKevinKolb wrote:
Meco wrote:
marky_b27 wrote:
Meco wrote:
People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?


Huh?

We need a physical wide receiver.


Yes, basically this.
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LOLKevinKolb wrote:
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marky_b27 wrote:
Meco wrote:
People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?


Huh?

We need a physical wide receiver.


Not particularly. Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson are a perfectly fine receiving combination who showed effectiveness for 3 straight seasons when they had a competent OL and QB.
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Celek is one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL........


Bull. He's got DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin clearing out safeties, he's got some of the worst hands in the NFL, he's a mediocre athlete and as the field gets shorter he gets worse. And can you tell me how "one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL" is 24th (out of 29) in the NFL in catch % after placing 20th (out of 32) in 2011 and 33rd (out of 36) in 2010?


Because with the catches he does get he gets a good 700-800 yards a season, which is what you want from a TE
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Celek is one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL........


Bull. He's got DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin clearing out safeties, he's got some of the worst hands in the NFL, he's a mediocre athlete and as the field gets shorter he gets worse. And can you tell me how "one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL" is 24th (out of 29) in the NFL in catch % after placing 20th (out of 32) in 2011 and 33rd (out of 36) in 2010?


Because with the catches he does get he gets a good 700-800 yards a season, which is what you want from a TE


Particularly when he's the 4th option.
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marky_b27 wrote:
Meco wrote:
marky_b27 wrote:
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People say there are spots that are way more critical that need upgraded but I think that getting someone who can help turn red-zone chances into TDs and help the Eagles control the middle of the field and dictate match-ups on the outside is not all that insignificant.


A cynic could say then why don't we upgrade the receiver position then?


Huh?


Upgrade receivers who can handle the hits of the middle of the field, who are taller than 6 ft and can take double teams.

You can hate on Celek, but he's in the same position as Jackson and Maclin. Are they perfect? No. Can they be upgraded? Of course they can. However do we change them for change sake? No, that's not the way to do it.


Exactly. Meco seems to be having quite a double standard here with regard to his opinion on our WR and TE situation.
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Blahman88 wrote:
Celek is one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL........


Bull. He's got DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin clearing out safeties, he's got some of the worst hands in the NFL, he's a mediocre athlete and as the field gets shorter he gets worse. And can you tell me how "one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL" is 24th (out of 29) in the NFL in catch % after placing 20th (out of 32) in 2011 and 33rd (out of 36) in 2010?


Because with the catches he does get he gets a good 700-800 yards a season, which is what you want from a TE


He'd be getting a lot more yards if he was actually good. He gets those stats because DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin are forcing defenses to play their safeties deep and Celek is the primary option underneath and over the middle. He's getting those stats because of the volume of targets he gets (7th, 9th, 14th, 7th the past 4 years in targets) not because he's actually good.

If you had a weapon over the middle that teams actually feared it would suck the safeties down and force more one on one match-ups on the outside.
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Meco wrote:
Blahman88 wrote:
Meco wrote:
Blahman88 wrote:
Celek is one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL........


Bull. He's got DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin clearing out safeties, he's got some of the worst hands in the NFL, he's a mediocre athlete and as the field gets shorter he gets worse. And can you tell me how "one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL" is 24th (out of 29) in the NFL in catch % after placing 20th (out of 32) in 2011 and 33rd (out of 36) in 2010?


Because with the catches he does get he gets a good 700-800 yards a season, which is what you want from a TE


He'd be getting a lot more yards if he was actually good. He gets those stats because DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin are forcing defenses to play their safeties deep and Celek is the primary option underneath and over the middle. He's getting those stats because of the volume of targets he gets (7th, 9th, 14th, 7th the past 4 years in targets) not because he's actually good.

If you had a weapon over the middle that teams actually feared it would suck the safeties down and force more one on one match-ups on the outside.


Vick can't see over the middle, he's the fourth option.....He is good, what you are describing is if he was Elite........which he's not, he's just good.
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I hope we sign Jared Cook in the off season.

He have too many drops, he doesn't block well, he can take a hit, but how often does he catch the ball in traffic.

When Celek catches the ball he's often wide open, because of a blown coverage.
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marky_b27 wrote:
Blahman88 wrote:
Meco wrote:
Blahman88 wrote:
Celek is one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL........


Bull. He's got DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin clearing out safeties, he's got some of the worst hands in the NFL, he's a mediocre athlete and as the field gets shorter he gets worse. And can you tell me how "one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL" is 24th (out of 29) in the NFL in catch % after placing 20th (out of 32) in 2011 and 33rd (out of 36) in 2010?


Because with the catches he does get he gets a good 700-800 yards a season, which is what you want from a TE


Particularly when he's the 4th option.


This! To be fair Celek hasn't been utilized correctly since McNabb was traded. When you barely get targeted throughout a game and are asked to block for 80% of it , it's hard to put up numbers. If Moron game planned to get him the ball more often ,Celek would have no problems what so ever putting up 1000 and 8-10 TD. Yes his drops are a concern but let's not act like Jimmy Grahams, Gronk and Gonzo's grow on trees. We could do far worse the Brent Celek at TE.
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Nabbs4u wrote:
marky_b27 wrote:
Blahman88 wrote:
Meco wrote:
Blahman88 wrote:
Celek is one of the better receiving TE's in the NFL........


Bull. He's got DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin clearing out safeties, he's got some of the worst hands in the NFL, he's a mediocre athlete and as the field gets shorter he gets worse. And can you tell me how "one of the best receiving tight ends in the NFL" is 24th (out of 29) in the NFL in catch % after placing 20th (out of 32) in 2011 and 33rd (out of 36) in 2010?


Because with the catches he does get he gets a good 700-800 yards a season, which is what you want from a TE


Particularly when he's the 4th option.


This! To be fair Celek hasn't been utilized correctly since McNabb was traded. When you barely get targeted throughout a game and are asked to block for 80% of it , it's hard to put up numbers. If Moron game planned to get him the ball more often ,Celek would have no problems what so ever putting up 1000 and 8-10 TD. Yes his drops are a concern but let's not act like Jimmy Grahams, Gronk and Gonzo's grow on trees. We could do far worse the Brent Celek at TE.


Game planning to get Celek the ball? Boy oh boy is the bar set low around here...
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We can improve at TE too. There should be no double standards, and there hasn't been any. People are giving Celek heat in GDTs every time one of his drops cost us a drive, a touchdown, or lead to an interception.

We could have a thread for just about every single player on our team. Celek just happens to be less polarizing.
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