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Mercury22
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 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: The One(s) That Got Away |
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I was thinking of the players that the Miami front office has either cut or traded that have gone on to do big things in the NFL. I've compiled a short list of guys, but I'd love to see what you all come up with.
Here are three just to get us started:
Wes Welker
Kevin Vickerson
Brandon Marshall
Who else can you think of that would most likely be an asset to us today?
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Donald Thomas is playing very well for the Patriots. I still love the Brandon Marshall trade so he is not on my list. The last thing I want is that goon in Tanny's ear.
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| Rob Ninkovich, has had multiple games for Pats where they would have lost if not for him. |
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Welker is one I find tough to judge. He has done a lot for the Pats but for what he would have done here I think we got decent value for him.
Rob Ninkovich (released/PS 2008) - Not an elite player but has become a versatile contributor for the Pats - 16.5 sacks, 5 FF and 4 INTs over 2010 to 2012.
Evan Mathis (released 2008) - Given our issues on the oline a LG who has allowed 0.5 sacks over the last 26 starts would be useful. With hindsight it is surprising how long it has taken for someone to give him a starting role.
Chad Henne - 99.6 passer rating, 7 TDs to 2 INTs. (just kidding)
A surprising number of kickers including Matt Prater, Jay Feely
Marcel Reece - Raiders fullback, though was a WR at the time.
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Mercury22
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| ukdolfan wrote: | | Welker is one I find tough to judge. He has done a lot for the Pats but for what he would have done here I think we got decent value for him. |
For the purposes of this thread, I'm less interested in whether or not it was a good trade, but rather if the player had success worthy of note after departure.
I had not thought of Rob Ninkovich. And I totally missed Marcel Reece. I didn't know he was with the Dolphins. Nice ones.
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| Mercury22 wrote: | | ukdolfan wrote: | | Welker is one I find tough to judge. He has done a lot for the Pats but for what he would have done here I think we got decent value for him. |
For the purposes of this thread, I'm less interested in whether or not it was a good trade, but rather if the player had success worthy of note after departure.
I had not thought of Rob Ninkovich. And I totally missed Marcel Reece. I didn't know he was with the Dolphins. Nice ones. |
Fair enough.
I hadn't realised we had Reece either. Just had a quick look online to see if anyone had slipped my mind and I saw his name.
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Mercury22
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I'll add a few more:
Atari Bigby
Jalen Parmele
Fred Evans
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Donald Lee - TE
Devin Aromashodu -WR
.......... My Top 3 All Time Escapees
1) Joe Thiesmann
2) Anthony Carter
3) Gary Fencik
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I'm not very impressed guys! 
Nothing more than this?
The only player anyone cares about is Wes Welker. He's the only name on that list that stings even a little.
If he wasn't with Brady, Welker would be an unremarkable, rather short white dude, running good routes and churning up 950 yards a season. We have a guy named Davone Bess who does exactly what Welker would do for us if he were here.
The dirty little secret is that almost every team has a Wes Welker.
Not every team has a Tom Brady though.  |
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Drew Brees
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Jason Allen
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Wade Smith.
Jason Allen, Sean Smith. That would be two pretty tall CB's.
Donald Thomas/Wade Smith. That would help the Oline.
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| Clutch wrote: | Jason Allen
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Wade Smith.
Jason Allen, Sean Smith. That would be two pretty tall CB's.
Donald Thomas/Wade Smith. That would help the Oline. |
I agree. Allen isn't spectacular, but he probably is better than Nolan Carroll.
Can you imagine Wade Smith, and Donald Thomas as Oline help.
Jason Allen as corner help.
Brandon Marshall and Wes Welker as WR help.
And to top it off Kevin Vickerson and Fred Evans are both pretty decent D-Linemen. Vickerson especially. We are already pretty set along the dline, but we've certainly left some talent on the table.
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| Mercury22 wrote: | | Clutch wrote: | Jason Allen
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Wade Smith.
Jason Allen, Sean Smith. That would be two pretty tall CB's.
Donald Thomas/Wade Smith. That would help the Oline. |
I agree. Allen isn't spectacular, but he probably is better than Nolan Carroll.
Can you imagine Wade Smith, and Donald Thomas as Oline help.
Jason Allen as corner help.
Brandon Marshall and Wes Welker as WR help.
And to top it off Kevin Vickerson and Fred Evans are both pretty decent D-Linemen. Vickerson especially. We are already pretty set along the dline, but we've certainly left some talent on the table. |
Not to deviate away from the topic, but this is the problem when you have coaching/regime change after regime change. A new coach/gm comes in and wants his own guys. So he churns the roster and you have these guys end up leaving. Very talented, just not a great fit for the new coach.
I want a coach that come in and put some things in place, but also realize that he has talented players on the current roster and find a way to make it work.
Thats the biggest problem I have with letting GM Ireland go. A new guy comes in and wants a new coach, maybe, and they want a new offense instead of the West Coast. There goes another 2 drafts where we are talking about guys that have alot of talent but were cut loose.
I say we stick with the plan for at least another 2 years to get Philbin/Ireland the ingredients. And just deal with the growing pains. The drafts so far by Ireland have been pretty good. We just need to let things simmer before we can get the full flavor.
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Mercury22
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| Clutch wrote: | | Mercury22 wrote: | | Clutch wrote: | Jason Allen
and
Wade Smith.
Jason Allen, Sean Smith. That would be two pretty tall CB's.
Donald Thomas/Wade Smith. That would help the Oline. |
I agree. Allen isn't spectacular, but he probably is better than Nolan Carroll.
Can you imagine Wade Smith, and Donald Thomas as Oline help.
Jason Allen as corner help.
Brandon Marshall and Wes Welker as WR help.
And to top it off Kevin Vickerson and Fred Evans are both pretty decent D-Linemen. Vickerson especially. We are already pretty set along the dline, but we've certainly left some talent on the table. |
Not to deviate away from the topic, but this is the problem when you have coaching/regime change after regime change. A new coach/gm comes in and wants his own guys. So he churns the roster and you have these guys end up leaving. Very talented, just not a great fit for the new coach.
I want a coach that come in and put some things in place, but also realize that he has talented players on the current roster and find a way to make it work.
Thats the biggest problem I have with letting GM Ireland go. A new guy comes in and wants a new coach, maybe, and they want a new offense instead of the West Coast. There goes another 2 drafts where we are talking about guys that have alot of talent but were cut loose.
I say we stick with the plan for at least another 2 years to get Philbin/Ireland the ingredients. And just deal with the growing pains. The drafts so far by Ireland have been pretty good. We just need to let things simmer before we can get the full flavor. |
Spot on, Clutch. I have been EXTREMELY critical about Ireland. I may very well have led the charge for him to be fired in the offseason, but I think the case you make is a valid one. Now that we appear to have found a QB that we will be banking on for the immediate future, I could be talked into to letting Ireland stick around.
With that said, a GM change could still be managed. We would just need a guy that would come in and seek to maintain some stability and focus on adding talent as opposed to gutting the team. However, you point is still well made..front office changes lead to player/personnel turn over, and that is one of our biggest issues. Nice post, Clutch.
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