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TiberiusRising
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 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: Tibo basic mock |
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This is mainly just draft picks, Goldson would be an interesting FA option as would J. Byrd. Wouldnt be surprised to see S. Shields in S&B either. J. Cook could be a potential target at TE as well.
First we trade our 1st round pick for one of St Louis 1st rounders and their 2nd rounder. They move up to get their starting OT that is needed and still have their other pick to get their WR. (note: this is also assuming McClain is no longer on the team)
#1(from Rams): Jonathan Banks CB Miss St.
Position of need and we can really get a lot of players here but he will be one of the BPA at that time imo
#2(from Rams): Khaseem Greene LB Rutgers
Very good LB, tackles well, great in pass coverage and good at stopping the run.
#3: Brennan Williams OT North Carolina
Needed help on the OL, can compete for backup/future starter.
#4: Quanterus Smith DE/OLB Western Kentucky
Excellent pass rusher. Demolished DJ Fluker at Alabama and others. Would be going higher except there are concerns about his size and where to put him. Good risk in round #4.
#6: Daniel McCullers DT Tennesee
Massive DT that excells at stopping the run. Blocks kicks, etc. I am good with either him or Kwame Geathers here. Some type of players.
#7a: Elvis Fischer OT Missouri
Promising lineman who has dropped because of injuries. Another risk/reward move.
#7b: John Boyett S Oregon
Good player, but blown out knee. No telling were he will go but if he is still there we should take the chance.
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BigMike1b
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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OT Eric Fisher is projected to be a late 1st/early 2nd rounder. No way he passes through that far even with the injury concerns.
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| BigMike1b wrote: | | OT Eric Fisher is projected to be a late 1st/early 2nd rounder. No way he passes through that far even with the injury concerns. |
Sorry should have specified this is Elvis Fisher from Missouri not Eric Fisher. I will edit the schools shortly. |
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Nodisrespect
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty good, i just don't know about alot of those guys. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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At first glance (1st-CB, 2nd-LB) I did not like it, but by the time I read through everything I actually think its a pretty good draft. I dont know a whole lot about all those guys, their weaknesses, projected rounds (which will change by April anyway), but on paper and going off what I do know about some of them, I like it.
CB, LB, DT, DE, 2 OTs and an Oregon Duck!
I like the McCullers pick- the guy is just a mountain! He is strong and powerful, and plays with energy too, so he wouldnt just be a fat slob in the middle. He would be a nice 2-down NT for us.
Boyett is smart and a playmaker. I would compare him to a slower Tyvon Branch with better coverage skills. Like Branch, he can really lay the wood, but he will also whiff sometimes.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sam Shields is RFA IMO, so no chance...
I like the draft, however would need a solid FA session as well, since DL and OL would still be liability with only the draft...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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You do realize that Quan blew out his knee right?? One of my favorite prospects still though but he may go UDFA.
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | You do realize that Quan blew out his knee right?? One of my favorite prospects still though but he may go UDFA. |
ehh. I didnt realize. Well still want him, just not in the 4th. Like you said maybe UDFA.
The other two guys I was looking at in the 4th are actually on offense. Cant really choose between the two without seeing how the rest of the season plays out.
R. Swope WR Texas A&M
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J. Franklin RB UCLA
At the moment I am leaning towards J. Franklin given our running woes. He is a good pass catcher and blocker as well. |
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Depending on where St Louis would be picking in this situation, I can't fathom going after CB this early assuming either Joeckel or Lewan would be available. Banks is a good prospect but that would be too high for him IMO. He's arguably not even the best CB prospect in this class. Not only that, our biggest need on defense is up front. While I'm not too high on many pass rushers that are "premiere" I do think Hankins or Star would also be available around this time.
Again this is hypothetical b/c you didn't give previous players drafted and where St Louis would be drafting and right now, that looks like it'll be the top 12. There are no CBs worth drafting that high, not at all especially when we need to go BPA.
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | Depending on where St Louis would be picking in this situation, I can't fathom going after CB this early assuming either Joeckel or Lewan would be available. Banks is a good prospect but that would be too high for him IMO. He's arguably not even the best CB prospect in this class. Not only that, our biggest need on defense is up front. While I'm not too high on many pass rushers that are "premiere" I do think Hankins or Star would also be available around this time.
Again this is hypothetical b/c you didn't give previous players drafted and where St Louis would be drafting and right now, that looks like it'll be the top 12. There are no CBs worth drafting that high, not at all especially when we need to go BPA. |
I think St Louis will be picking around 13 and 15 at the moment. joekel will be out because St Louis is moving up to get him with the trade. Lewan will probably be gone shortly after to Philly or a OL needy team. I I dont think Hankins or Star would be around then. The idea around the CB getting drafted is getting a top tier CB with size/speed that you could start right away. I am also going to go out on a limb and say Seymour will likely be here one more year as well. By the time we pick I think the following guys will have been taken that would be on our radar.
Joekel
Star
Te'o
Jones
Hankins
Moore
Millner
Mingo
Werner
Lewan
So on the DL the next two guys left would be J. Jankins and S. Montgomery and I rate Banks higher than those two guys. |
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ch8878
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#3: Brennan Williams OT North Carolina
I would like Kyle Long OT Oregon the son of Howie Long
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TiberiusRising
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| ch8878 wrote: | #3: Brennan Williams OT North Carolina
I would like Kyle Long OT Oregon the son of Howie Long |
Im with you, I felt he may go before this point but if he is still there I would take him before Brennan. |
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TiberiusRising
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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"McKenzie said Michael Huff is definitely a safety and not a cornerback in Raiders' long-term plans"
This makes this mock even more realistic now. CB has become bigger need. |
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ch8878
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| TiberiusRising wrote: | "McKenzie said Michael Huff is definitely a safety and not a cornerback in Raiders' long-term plans"
This makes this mock even more realistic now. CB has become bigger need. |
It also says "Huff signed a four-year, $32 million deal as a safety in July 2011. He has no guaranteed money remaining beyond this season, however."
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| TiberiusRising wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | Depending on where St Louis would be picking in this situation, I can't fathom going after CB this early assuming either Joeckel or Lewan would be available. Banks is a good prospect but that would be too high for him IMO. He's arguably not even the best CB prospect in this class. Not only that, our biggest need on defense is up front. While I'm not too high on many pass rushers that are "premiere" I do think Hankins or Star would also be available around this time.
Again this is hypothetical b/c you didn't give previous players drafted and where St Louis would be drafting and right now, that looks like it'll be the top 12. There are no CBs worth drafting that high, not at all especially when we need to go BPA. |
I think St Louis will be picking around 13 and 15 at the moment. joekel will be out because St Louis is moving up to get him with the trade. Lewan will probably be gone shortly after to Philly or a OL needy team. I I dont think Hankins or Star would be around then. The idea around the CB getting drafted is getting a top tier CB with size/speed that you could start right away. I am also going to go out on a limb and say Seymour will likely be here one more year as well. By the time we pick I think the following guys will have been taken that would be on our radar.
Joekel
Star
Te'o
Jones
Hankins
Moore
Millner
Mingo
Werner
Lewan
So on the DL the next two guys left would be J. Jankins and S. Montgomery and I rate Banks higher than those two guys. |
To each their own. That's a viable explanation and a possibility. Everyone here knows my stance on drafting CBs that high especially when our defense is in shambles and they will only be a factor in the smallest percentage of plays which is exactly the opposite of what we need right now. We need a person who will be someone they have to deal w/ on every single play. We're basically rebuilding our defense here and if you're using this draft pick to do that, building a D around a CB is just not the way to go about it. Regardless, I'm definitely a BPA guy on the offensive line or D so if McKenzie feels a CB offers him the most value at that spot, so be it. I won't agree w/ it at all, but it's his team.
I'm going to do a mock off-season at the end of the season once I see where our draft placement is (even though it's still entirely too early but just for fun  ) but at this point, I'd be fine w/ trying to snag DRC or Sean Smith as they won't come too high priced but they're viable CBs and their play will improve if we can ever get pressure. Plus we could keep some guys we have now for depth. That's just how I see it now.
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