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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hartline is faster than Camarillo and was even slightly faster than Marshall but he is not very agile or "quick". That's why he doesn't get separation consistently. He also has a knack for making big catches / plays which Camarillo rarely did (inb4 Ravens game 2007).

I feel like Camarillo was a better route runner though.
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Former #Dolphins WR Jabar Gaffney has been suspended by the league for 2 games.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phinmum, I'm surprised at who you think we should draft in the first round. Granted it all depends on where we pick, but I don't think guys feel we are picking 20 something anymore.

If we are picking in the teen's, I see defensive talent more worthy of that investment. If we leave QB's out of the discussion, aside from a couple/few OL guys, I don't see any offensive players worth picking that high.

Seems to me the pick should be (L)OT, CB, or DE. I don't think we should overlook DT either. I could see three of them going in the top fifteen easily.

We have to get past the obvious needs at WR and OG and look at BPA. We should be able to fill those needs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

FWIW, I'm not a Sean Smith fan.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ57 wrote:
Phinmum, I'm surprised at who you think we should draft in the first round. Granted it all depends on where we pick, but I don't think guys feel we are picking 20 something anymore.

If we are picking in the teen's, I see defensive talent more worthy of that investment. If we leave QB's out of the discussion, aside from a couple/few OL guys, I don't see any offensive players worth picking that high.

Seems to me the pick should be (L)OT, CB, or DE. I don't think we should overlook DT either. I could see three of them going in the top fifteen easily.

We have to get past the obvious needs at WR and OG and look at BPA. We should be able to fill those needs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

FWIW, I'm not a Sean Smith fan.


Well Russ,

Here's my thought on 1st round DEs. I don't want either guy out of LSU and it appears that those are the guys who'll be available to us. I haven't watched Moore out of A&M but while everything is positive, he's going top-5 in mocks I'm looking at.

I think it would be best for us to pass on those LSU guys and make an attempt to trade back 5-to-10 selections so that picking a WR doesn't seem so much of a reach. We could then trade up a little bit from our 2nd rounder and take a guy like Carradine who in my view fits the bill of a RDE, pass rush specialist.

If I thought Hopkins was available later I might be of a differing opinion, but I think he'll stay at Clemson leaving us with only lesser options like Tavon Austin who bring speed and athleticism amongst those 2nd and 3rd round prospects--Guys who are not the dominant difference-makers like Allen, Hunter & Woods.


Also, consider that we're looking for a developmental player who can share the duties with Vernon. It's not fair to think of Vernon as a failure. I think he's great, just maybe not quite enough right now in his career to hold down a purely rush-oriented position. Between Vernon & Carradine and Wake I'd be totally stoked.

That allows that 1st rounder to be used on a WR.

I just think people are getting a little too over-anxious with "pass-rush" as a need right now. As soon as we drop Odrick inside to DT (assuming we do that) we'll instantly start getting more pressure as long as we've got someone on the outside and virtually anyone will be as good if not better than Odrick. That'll be addition by subtraction and we don't need to throw a 1st rounder into that equation.

To me it seems like overkill. Just take Odrick away and let Vernon and a rookie split time rushing from that position. Carradine (if not Vernon, too) could develop into someone nearly as dominant as Wake once he gets adjusted and develops.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, my desire to pick defense with the 1st pick has nothing to do with need or forum opinion.....it is about what the draft offers.

Pretend we can't arrange a trade and suppose we draft 13th, or 19th. Take a firm stance and name a player for each pick.

I understand WR is hard because it depends on how many underclassmen declare. Say none of them do, then pickings are slim in the 1st round.....terrence williams alone perhaps.....would you still pick one in the first?

No way I want tavon austin with the 13th or 19th pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ57 wrote:
FWIW, my desire to pick defense with the 1st pick has nothing to do with need or forum opinion.....it is about what the draft offers.

Pretend we can't arrange a trade and suppose we draft 13th, or 19th. Take a firm stance and name a player for each pick.

I understand WR is hard because it depends on how many underclassmen declare. Say none of them do, then pickings are slim in the 1st round.....terrence williams alone perhaps.....would you still pick one in the first?

No way I want tavon austin with the 13th or 19th pick.


Firstly, no one's picking Tavon Austin that high. I'd be shocked if he went higher than the 2nd round. He's amongst the "other guys" and that was my point. If you don't pick a WR first overall you're best options are going to be those "other guys." Walter Football has us mocked with Warner (FSU) and that I could live with, but they have us taking a DT after that and not a single Guard so I think they're probably crazy. Laughing

I just think we're so obviously in need at WR that it has to be the pick.

BPA isn't always a good thing. It's really hurt us in some cases. Odrick for example, was a pick we didn't need. We had a very solid D-line when we drafted him and spending a 1st round pick on what was already the most solid area of the team felt really stupid.

With Wake/Soliai/Odrick/Vernon or Wake/Starks/Odrick/Vernon we'll have a better line than we do right now. We're already slated to improve based on that switch to Vernon @ DE. I'm not saying that's all we need, I'm just saying that a 1st rounder at DE is jumping the gun and over-compensating.

I want to get Vernon some help at DE too, but that's why I'm saying you draft a prospect in the 2nd or 3rd round to develop and rotate exactly the way you're doing with Vernon right now.


Now on to WRs...

Allen, Hunter, Williams, Woods, Hopkins...they're all worthy of 1st round picks. We're not likely to have a shot any any of those guys when we pick in the 2nd round. While I doubt that Hopkins will be an option for anyone this year, we have to consider that it's highly likely someone else will be drafting WR before us (definitely Rams, maybe Browns & Panthers) so there's a chance we have to jump on who we like or even settle for the last guy available.

WR is the biggest hole on this team because this offense needs 4 capable WRs and we only have two: Bess and Hartline. I want to believe Matthews can be someone we feature but we're not allowed to say that just yet. We have to consider that while we want more talent to pair with Vernon at DE and while we want another option at TE, those are still "wants" while WR still appears to be our primary "need."

With WR being the roster's biggest hole I just can't conceive of sitting by and not taking a WR until the top 5 guys are off the board. With only 2 big needs (WR & G) we have to pick one of those things in the 1st round. Obviously it won't be G.




We are trying to build a team that is based around offense. We already have a solid defense AND a developing DE on the roster but our numbers on offense have us as one of the league's worst. Our offense cannot work without getting the Guards and WRs it needs to function.

Not addressing this issue is basically missing the forest for the trees. DE is actually the the sexy & distracting pick. There are guy we'd like to have but we just cannot afford to take them if we want to stay competitive and continue to develop. I cannot see us handing Tannehill a couple mid-rounders and say "that's enough, go win games for us."

There's really only 1 option if you honestly look at this team. Our pass rush is not perfect but it's not losing us games the way our offense is. We've barely scored any points in the last 3 games and it's forcing our defense to stay on the field and get picked apart.

There's not a lot wrong with our defense right now. Spending a 1st rounder on that side of the ball will have me sitting with my head in my hands thinking you guys have been duped.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like a elite DE but like you said we may not be in position for Moore who i love and not a fan of the LSU guys dion jordan is interesting to me but not sold yet. A sleeper on day 2 is will sutton from Arizona state 6-2 270 plays tackle and end has been a monster this year he is athletic with a burst rotate him with vernon and slide him inside on 3rd down. I have done a complete 360 and wouldnt mind a trade back for TE eifert as long as we still get a WR in free agency or round 2-3.
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