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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Fluker is going to blow up the combine.

I think he is the most powerful player we have seen in the draft process maybe ever.

In the phone booth when he does not need to re-direct, when he just has to punch, grab and sit he could be awesome
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Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia

#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia

#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State


I don't watch much college football so my knowledge of college players pre-draft comes straight from your opinions, what do you guys think of Te'o?

I've read a couple of mock drafts that have us taking him at #20, do you think that a potential draft slide could give us a steal or does his championship game performance/this bizzare story scare you off of him?

Personally, if we could grab LeVitre or Bushrod and D. Smith (as mentioned recently) then it could free us up to take the likes of Eifert in the draft - however, thought I'd gauge people's opinions on the most (possibly over-)talked prospects in the draft.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bounty91 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia

#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State


I don't watch much college football so my knowledge of college players pre-draft comes straight from your opinions, what do you guys think of Te'o?

I've read a couple of mock drafts that have us taking him at #20, do you think that a potential draft slide could give us a steal or does his championship game performance/this bizzare story scare you off of him?

Personally, if we could grab LeVitre or Bushrod and D. Smith (as mentioned recently) then it could free us up to take the likes of Eifert in the draft - however, thought I'd gauge people's opinions on the most (possibly over-)talked prospects in the draft.


Apologies, just reading back and someone's just posted almost the exact same question... great minds!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of love for Vance McDonald after today's weigh-ins and practice. Big strong and fast TE who knows how to run routes and showed sure hands.

Might be a second round TE talent according to some.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia



#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State


After watching the senior bowl practice today Fisher was an absolute stud. Great feet, moved very well and didn't get beat inside, he's the real deal. He's # 2 LT in this years draft IMO. A surprising OL was Brian Winters from Kent St and Pugh didn't look like he would transfer well to being a OT. He looked slow at times and seemed to get beat a lot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SOCalBearsFan54 wrote:
Pugh didn't look like he would transfer well to being a OT. He looked slow at times and seemed to get beat a lot.


If Jerry Angelo got/gets the Jets GM job, expect this guy to be their round 1 pick
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Pugh didn't look like he would transfer well to being a OT. He looked slow at times and seemed to get beat a lot.


If Jerry Angelo got/gets the Jets GM job, expect this guy to be their round 1 pick


Just read Idzik got the job.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SOCalBearsFan54 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia



#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State


After watching the senior bowl practice today Fisher was an absolute stud. Great feet, moved very well and didn't get beat inside, he's the real deal. He's # 2 LT in this years draft IMO. A surprising OL was Brian Winters from Kent St and Pugh didn't look like he would transfer well to being a OT. He looked slow at times and seemed to get beat a lot.


Player for Player right now I would take Fisher over Johnson…but I think Johnson’s upside will lead to him being drafted higher.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
SOCalBearsFan54 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia



#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State


After watching the senior bowl practice today Fisher was an absolute stud. Great feet, moved very well and didn't get beat inside, he's the real deal. He's # 2 LT in this years draft IMO. A surprising OL was Brian Winters from Kent St and Pugh didn't look like he would transfer well to being a OT. He looked slow at times and seemed to get beat a lot.


Player for Player right now I would take Fisher over Johnson…but I think Johnson’s upside will lead to him being drafted higher.
I highly doubt that happens. Outside of long speed Fisher seems to be the much better player.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
SOCalBearsFan54 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Of the 4 positions I feel we are likely to draft this year I would rank the top fives right now as...

#1...TE...Tyler Eifert...6-5" 255 ...Notre Dame
#2...TE...Zach Ertz...6-5" 255...Stanford
#3...TE...Gavin Escobar...6-5" 255...SDSU
#4...TE...Travis Kelce...6-5" 265...Cincinnati
#5...TE...Ryan Otten...6-5" 235...SJSU

#1...OT...Luke Joeckel...6-6" 310...Texas A&M
#2...OT...Lane Johnson...6-6" 303...Oklahoma
#3...OT...Eric Fisher...6-7" 305...Central Michigan
#4...OT...Justin Pugh...6-5" 300...Syracuse
#5...OT...Oday Aboushi...6-5" 310...Virginia



#1...OG...Chance Warmack...6-3" 320...Alabama
#2...OG...Jonathan Cooper...6-3" 310...North Carolina
#3...OG...Chris Faulk...6-5" 323...LSU
#4...OG...DJ Fluker...6-5" 355...Alabama
#5...OG...Larry Warford...6-3" 333...Kentucky

#1...LB...Kevin Minter...6-2" 245...LSU
#2...LB...Manti Te'o...6-2" 255...Notre Dame
#3...LB...Alec Ogletree...6-3" 235...Georgia
#4...LB...Khaseem Green...6-1" 235...Rutgers
#5...LB...Gerald Hodges...6-1" 238...Penn State


After watching the senior bowl practice today Fisher was an absolute stud. Great feet, moved very well and didn't get beat inside, he's the real deal. He's # 2 LT in this years draft IMO. A surprising OL was Brian Winters from Kent St and Pugh didn't look like he would transfer well to being a OT. He looked slow at times and seemed to get beat a lot.


Player for Player right now I would take Fisher over Johnson…but I think Johnson’s upside will lead to him being drafted higher.
I highly doubt that happens. Outside of long speed Fisher seems to be the much better player.


I have always been a fan of Fisher but I wouldn't go as far as saying he is a "much better player"...right now he is a better player than Johnson but I'm not sure he is quite the athlete than Johnson is...I think alot will depend on the type of player teams are looking for to play in their scheme and if they are willing to let the player develop in the role or if they want a player who is more pro ready but with a little less ceiling...personally I would prefer Fisher because he is pro ready and we wouldn't have to do much to change his game but I can see a team going after Johnson first because of that upside...either way if we decide to go with a LT in the 1st round both these guys would be big improvements over what we have.
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Lots of buzz that Fisher is going top 10.
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Lots of buzz that Fisher is going top 10.

I just read some stuff from scouts on "top-3, top-5". If he continues at this pace, he is an absolute lock for the top 10. Even Lane Johnson is getting a ton of top 20 buzz, check out what a scout from the Giants had to say...
http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/21/new-york-giants-scout-on-lane-johnson-that%E2%80%99s-my-left-tackle/

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Matt Miller of NFL Draft Scout, who is in Mobile, Alabama covering the Senior Bowl, was among those impressed with Johnson. But he wasn't the only one. Miller had one of the Giants scouts in attendance remark "that's my left tackle" after watching Johnson practice.


Ideally, the #3 LT and #1 MLB will be on the board for our pick at #20. I think NYG goes Lane or a MLB right before us.
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pigsooie5 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Lots of buzz that Fisher is going top 10.

I just read some stuff from scouts on "top-3, top-5". If he continues at this pace, he is an absolute lock for the top 10. Even Lane Johnson is getting a ton of top 20 buzz, check out what a scout from the Giants had to say...
http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/21/new-york-giants-scout-on-lane-johnson-that%E2%80%99s-my-left-tackle/

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Matt Miller of NFL Draft Scout, who is in Mobile, Alabama covering the Senior Bowl, was among those impressed with Johnson. But he wasn't the only one. Miller had one of the Giants scouts in attendance remark "that's my left tackle" after watching Johnson practice.


Ideally, the #3 LT and #1 MLB will be on the board for our pick at #20. I think NYG goes Lane or a MLB right before us.


The only good thing about that is if the Giants were looking to take a LT like Johnson then they won’t have resigned current LT William Beatty and he played really well last season so it would add to the FA class.
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Madmike90 wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Lots of buzz that Fisher is going top 10.

I just read some stuff from scouts on "top-3, top-5". If he continues at this pace, he is an absolute lock for the top 10. Even Lane Johnson is getting a ton of top 20 buzz, check out what a scout from the Giants had to say...
http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/21/new-york-giants-scout-on-lane-johnson-that%E2%80%99s-my-left-tackle/

Quote:
Matt Miller of NFL Draft Scout, who is in Mobile, Alabama covering the Senior Bowl, was among those impressed with Johnson. But he wasn't the only one. Miller had one of the Giants scouts in attendance remark "that's my left tackle" after watching Johnson practice.


Ideally, the #3 LT and #1 MLB will be on the board for our pick at #20. I think NYG goes Lane or a MLB right before us.


The only good thing about that is if the Giants were looking to take a LT like Johnson then they won’t have resigned current LT William Beatty and he played really well last season so it would add to the FA class.
i'd imagine that the Giants are going to keep Beatty, and I don't see any need for them to draft a replacement for Chase Blackburn.
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