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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
Why can't or won't we get a LT in this draft?
We can't get a franchise LT this year in the draft b/c we will be drafting waaaaaaay too late.
Duane Brown, Joe Staley and Nate Solder were all picked at the end of round 1 and all are very good or great LTs. You don't have to go top 10 to be a good LT.
And for everyone of those guys I can give you an OT reached on in the first b/c of positional value and Solder wasn't picked at the end of round 1, he went at 17. The fact is its rare to find a franchise LT late in round 1, and those guys usually aren't very good initially, Duane Brown was awful his first year. You have a much better chance at finding a good LB at that point in the draft.


Again...we don't need a franchise LT...we just need one who Jay has confidence in and I'm not sure Webb is ever going to be that guy in Jay's mind...I have always seen the potential in Webb and get why Tice is taking the time with him but if your QB doesn't trust him then it's always going to be a problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
Why can't or won't we get a LT in this draft?
We can't get a franchise LT this year in the draft b/c we will be drafting waaaaaaay too late.
Duane Brown, Joe Staley and Nate Solder were all picked at the end of round 1 and all are very good or great LTs. You don't have to go top 10 to be a good LT.
And for everyone of those guys I can give you an OT reached on in the first b/c of positional value and Solder wasn't picked at the end of round 1, he went at 17. The fact is its rare to find a franchise LT late in round 1, and those guys usually aren't very good initially, Duane Brown was awful his first year. You have a much better chance at finding a good LB at that point in the draft.


Again...we don't need a franchise LT...we just need one who Jay has confidence in and I'm not sure Webb is ever going to be that guy in Jay's mind...I have always seen the potential in Webb and get why Tice is taking the time with him but if your QB doesn't trust him then it's always going to be a problem.
Jay has not changed his style of play because of any "distrust" of Webb so I see no real problem. He needs to keep moving around as he has of late but that is true Webb or no Webb.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
Why can't or won't we get a LT in this draft?
We can't get a franchise LT this year in the draft b/c we will be drafting waaaaaaay too late.
Duane Brown, Joe Staley and Nate Solder were all picked at the end of round 1 and all are very good or great LTs. You don't have to go top 10 to be a good LT.
And for everyone of those guys I can give you an OT reached on in the first b/c of positional value and Solder wasn't picked at the end of round 1, he went at 17. The fact is its rare to find a franchise LT late in round 1, and those guys usually aren't very good initially, Duane Brown was awful his first year. You have a much better chance at finding a good LB at that point in the draft.
You said we can't. We can. This could be a deep LT class.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
Has Free given up 10+ sacks in every season he's played? Was he pushed by his starting QB? I know you like Webb but he's not good.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
Has Free given up 10+ sacks in every season he's played? Was he pushed by his starting QB? I know you like Webb but he's not good.


He also is not that bad. He is by definition average and he is improving.

Webb gave up 10 sacks in a ridiculous offence that offered NO help and had no chance of success. Free would have been in a similar situation.

Free has never been pushed because Romo is a pansy.

The Bears OL as a unit is broken and while Webb gets most of the abuse it more than just him. It is hard to play LT when your LG is brutal and you have no backup and help. Your LT will give up a ton of sacks when you interior line is getting rocked.

The truth of the matter is that Webb has played 2 bad games this season which is not that bad.

Do you think Webb had success in the other 9 games this season by accident?
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But if you look around the league the best LTs in the NFL are on lines that are pretty good and offer them a chance to be successful,

Nate Solder is having an incredible year, but he has Mankins beside him and Vollmer across from him making it easier.

Ryan Clady is awesome, he has Zane Beadle who is really good beside him and Orlando Franklin on the other side.

Joe Staley, who I think is one of the best LTs in the NFL has 1st round pick Mike Iupati beside him and 1st round pick Anthony Davis across from him.

Joe Thomas, Duane Brown, Branden Albert, Jermon Bushrod and D'Brickshaw Ferguson all play on talented lines with other talented players.

God even Sam Baker looks servicable when you put him with a very good LG [Blalock] and a very good RT [Clabo].
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
Has Free given up 10+ sacks in every season he's played? Was he pushed by his starting QB? I know you like Webb but he's not good.


He also is not that bad. He is by definition average and he is improving.

Webb gave up 10 sacks in a ridiculous offence that offered NO help and had no chance of success. Free would have been in a similar situation.

Free has never been pushed because Romo is a pansy.

The Bears OL as a unit is broken and while Webb gets most of the abuse it more than just him. It is hard to play LT when your LG is brutal and you have no backup and help. Your LT will give up a ton of sacks when you interior line is getting rocked.

The truth of the matter is that Webb has played 2 bad games this season which is not that bad.

Do you think Webb had success in the other 9 games this season by accident?
How does any of that mean Webb is better at LT then Free?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
Has Free given up 10+ sacks in every season he's played? Was he pushed by his starting QB? I know you like Webb but he's not good.


He also is not that bad. He is by definition average and he is improving.

Webb gave up 10 sacks in a ridiculous offence that offered NO help and had no chance of success. Free would have been in a similar situation.

Free has never been pushed because Romo is a pansy.

The Bears OL as a unit is broken and while Webb gets most of the abuse it more than just him. It is hard to play LT when your LG is brutal and you have no backup and help. Your LT will give up a ton of sacks when you interior line is getting rocked.

The truth of the matter is that Webb has played 2 bad games this season which is not that bad.

Do you think Webb had success in the other 9 games this season by accident?
How does any of that mean Webb is better at LT then Free?


I am saying Webb is not as bad as people think.

We can talk about upgrading LT and if we can get Clady within budget go for it, but even if we get Clady, Webb is moving to RT because he is way better than Carimi.

Our OL breakdown looks like this,

LT Average
LG God Awful
C Average
RG Good/Injured
RT God Awful

I am going to upgrade the god awful positions before the average ones.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
Has Free given up 10+ sacks in every season he's played? Was he pushed by his starting QB? I know you like Webb but he's not good.


He also is not that bad. He is by definition average and he is improving.

Webb gave up 10 sacks in a ridiculous offence that offered NO help and had no chance of success. Free would have been in a similar situation.

Free has never been pushed because Romo is a pansy.

The Bears OL as a unit is broken and while Webb gets most of the abuse it more than just him. It is hard to play LT when your LG is brutal and you have no backup and help. Your LT will give up a ton of sacks when you interior line is getting rocked.

The truth of the matter is that Webb has played 2 bad games this season which is not that bad.

Do you think Webb had success in the other 9 games this season by accident?
How does any of that mean Webb is better at LT then Free?


I am saying Webb is not as bad as people think.

We can talk about upgrading LT and if we can get Clady within budget go for it, but even if we get Clady, Webb is moving to RT because he is way better than Carimi.

Our OL breakdown looks like this,

LT Average
LG God Awful
C Average
RG Good/Injured
RT God Awful

I am going to upgrade the god awful positions before the average ones.
If Webb is average then half the league has bad LTs. Regardless of how others are playing at that position we need an upgrade at LT. Webb isnt good enough. He's gone from suck to stink. I think Carimi can be a better guard then Webb will be at LT.
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DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
He still has occasional issues w/ his base, but for the most part we've seen a lot of improvement out of Webb,


There is no doubt we have seen improvement from Webb…but the problems come when he has that off day…ala against San Fran…he isn’t as inconsistent as he was but it’s still a problem…if Cutler doesn’t know from game to game if he can rely on him then he is never going to fully trust him and if a QB doesn’t trust the guy protecting his blindside he is never going to be fully comfortable standing in the pocket.
Would I like to have a franchise LT? Yes, of course, but we aren't getting one anytime soon, and certainly not in the next draft, so its about coaching Webb up, who is far from the worst player at his position on the line. You can find a solid RT in FA, trying to sign a franchise LT in FA pretty much never happens b/c the guys don't see the open market.
We have to find a contract squeeze ala John Tait and take advantage of it. It is possible.
Doug Free could be released. He's not playing well at RT and makes a lot for that position.


Doug Free stinks why would we want him?

An upgrade actually needs to be better for it to be an upgrade.
He wasn't bad at LT. He was better then our OTs.


I don't think for one second that he was better than Webb.
Has Free given up 10+ sacks in every season he's played? Was he pushed by his starting QB? I know you like Webb but he's not good.


He also is not that bad. He is by definition average and he is improving.

Webb gave up 10 sacks in a ridiculous offence that offered NO help and had no chance of success. Free would have been in a similar situation.

Free has never been pushed because Romo is a pansy.

The Bears OL as a unit is broken and while Webb gets most of the abuse it more than just him. It is hard to play LT when your LG is brutal and you have no backup and help. Your LT will give up a ton of sacks when you interior line is getting rocked.

The truth of the matter is that Webb has played 2 bad games this season which is not that bad.

Do you think Webb had success in the other 9 games this season by accident?
How does any of that mean Webb is better at LT then Free?


I am saying Webb is not as bad as people think.

We can talk about upgrading LT and if we can get Clady within budget go for it, but even if we get Clady, Webb is moving to RT because he is way better than Carimi.

Our OL breakdown looks like this,

LT Average
LG God Awful
C Average
RG Good/Injured
RT God Awful

I am going to upgrade the god awful positions before the average ones.
If Webb is average then half the league has bad LTs. Regardless of how others are playing at that position we need an upgrade at LT. Webb isnt good enough. He's gone from suck to stink. I think Carimi can be a better guard then Webb will be at LT.


He has gone from sucks to average.

There are worse starting LTs in the NFL,

Max Starks
Eugene Monroe
Jared Gaither/Whoever Else
Arizona
Donald Penn
Sam Baker
Marshall Newhouse

And there are similar LTs,

Anthony Costanzo
Jared Veldheer
Cordy Glenn
Roger Saffold
Jeff Backus
Michael Oher
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