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Madmike90


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
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Brandon Albert and Dustin Keller would be nice.


I really wonder if we can afford that much? I would love to know our cap number?

Branden Albert is #1 and Bushrod is #2.
Not sure.

Urlacher should be making a lot less next season if he's back. Also cutting Hester would save us that up to $10 mil bonus. Melton is the only must sign FA. We could even through the 1st round tender on him like the Steelers did with Mike Wallace.


Hester will never see that money...at most his cap figure next year will be around $2.5m.
What were the conditions of his contract bonus? I know it was determined on him being a #1 receiver but what were the exact numbers?


Infact it's not $2.5 it's $2.94 against the cap according to Pompei...

http://www.wgnradio.com/sports/chi-bears-askdan-20121107-,0,3500871.story

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Devin Hester has been one of our most popular and important players over the last several years. He's possibly a future hall of famer. But this year he has not been much of a factor either on returns, or as a receiver. Devin is due a big roster bonus next year (how much is unclear as it's incentive based). If he does not produce much the rest of the year, do you think Hester's job is in jeopardy for 2013? -- Ron S., Sammamish, Wash.

Injuries aside, I would say any player who doesn't produce much over the last half of the season probably is going to be in jeopardy of losing his job. But it's not like the Bears won't be able to afford Hester if they believe he can help them. He has a base salary in 2013 of $1.857 million, and a cap number of $2.94 million. He is not due a big roster bonus next year, but there is an escalator clause in his contract that could bring his salary to $4.42 million. It is not expected that he will enact that bonus because it was mostly tied to wide receiver production. The escalator clauses were put in Hester's contract to protect him in the event he became a star wide receiver. That has not happened, but he remains one of the better return specialists in the NFL, and an asset to the Bears. I'll be shocked if he's not on the team in 2013.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Brandon Albert and Dustin Keller would be nice.


I really wonder if we can afford that much? I would love to know our cap number?

Branden Albert is #1 and Bushrod is #2.
Not sure.

Urlacher should be making a lot less next season if he's back. Also cutting Hester would save us that up to $10 mil bonus. Melton is the only must sign FA. We could even through the 1st round tender on him like the Steelers did with Mike Wallace.


Hester will never see that money...at most his cap figure next year will be around $2.5m.
What were the conditions of his contract bonus? I know it was determined on him being a #1 receiver but what were the exact numbers?


Infact it's not $2.5 it's $2.94 against the cap according to Pompei...

http://www.wgnradio.com/sports/chi-bears-askdan-20121107-,0,3500871.story

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Devin Hester has been one of our most popular and important players over the last several years. He's possibly a future hall of famer. But this year he has not been much of a factor either on returns, or as a receiver. Devin is due a big roster bonus next year (how much is unclear as it's incentive based). If he does not produce much the rest of the year, do you think Hester's job is in jeopardy for 2013? -- Ron S., Sammamish, Wash.

Injuries aside, I would say any player who doesn't produce much over the last half of the season probably is going to be in jeopardy of losing his job. But it's not like the Bears won't be able to afford Hester if they believe he can help them. He has a base salary in 2013 of $1.857 million, and a cap number of $2.94 million. He is not due a big roster bonus next year, but there is an escalator clause in his contract that could bring his salary to $4.42 million. It is not expected that he will enact that bonus because it was mostly tied to wide receiver production. The escalator clauses were put in Hester's contract to protect him in the event he became a star wide receiver. That has not happened, but he remains one of the better return specialists in the NFL, and an asset to the Bears. I'll be shocked if he's not on the team in 2013.
That's still a bit high for my liking but the sentimental value will likely keep his job.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
DaMike wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
DaMike wrote:
Brandon Albert and Dustin Keller would be nice.


I really wonder if we can afford that much? I would love to know our cap number?

Branden Albert is #1 and Bushrod is #2.
Not sure.

Urlacher should be making a lot less next season if he's back. Also cutting Hester would save us that up to $10 mil bonus. Melton is the only must sign FA. We could even through the 1st round tender on him like the Steelers did with Mike Wallace.


Hester will never see that money...at most his cap figure next year will be around $2.5m.
What were the conditions of his contract bonus? I know it was determined on him being a #1 receiver but what were the exact numbers?


Infact it's not $2.5 it's $2.94 against the cap according to Pompei...

http://www.wgnradio.com/sports/chi-bears-askdan-20121107-,0,3500871.story

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Devin Hester has been one of our most popular and important players over the last several years. He's possibly a future hall of famer. But this year he has not been much of a factor either on returns, or as a receiver. Devin is due a big roster bonus next year (how much is unclear as it's incentive based). If he does not produce much the rest of the year, do you think Hester's job is in jeopardy for 2013? -- Ron S., Sammamish, Wash.

Injuries aside, I would say any player who doesn't produce much over the last half of the season probably is going to be in jeopardy of losing his job. But it's not like the Bears won't be able to afford Hester if they believe he can help them. He has a base salary in 2013 of $1.857 million, and a cap number of $2.94 million. He is not due a big roster bonus next year, but there is an escalator clause in his contract that could bring his salary to $4.42 million. It is not expected that he will enact that bonus because it was mostly tied to wide receiver production. The escalator clauses were put in Hester's contract to protect him in the event he became a star wide receiver. That has not happened, but he remains one of the better return specialists in the NFL, and an asset to the Bears. I'll be shocked if he's not on the team in 2013.
That's still a bit high for my liking but the sentimental value will likely keep his job.


Agreed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sebastian Vollmer is a guy I really like. He's the most underrated lineman on one of the best lines in football. He is the #1 RT in the NFL when healthy, absolutely has LT ability, in fact started there as a rookie a couple games. I'm afraid Long, Clady, Albert all get franchised, NE will not franchise Vollmer because he's a RT. Go to their forum and see how nervous they all are about loosing him, they know someone is going to want him as a LT no way I see him resigning.

EDIT: forgot to mention the only reason I see teams being a bit Leary of Vollmer is because of previous back problems. Which surely worries me, but he's started every game do far this season and is proving how dominant he can be when healthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigsooie5 wrote:
Sebastian Vollmer is a guy I really like. He's the most underrated lineman on one of the best lines in football. He is the #1 RT in the NFL when healthy, absolutely has LT ability, in fact started there as a rookie a couple games. I'm afraid Long, Clady, Albert all get franchised, NE will not franchise Vollmer because he's a RT. Go to their forum and see how nervous they all are about loosing him, they know someone is going to want him as a LT no way I see him resigning.

EDIT: forgot to mention the only reason I see teams being a bit Leary of Vollmer is because of previous back problems. Which surely worries me, but he's started every game do far this season and is proving how dominant he can be when healthy.
I'd be all for him. I think he can play LT.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who ever scouts WR's for the Bears has made the same mistake twice. David Terrell and Earl Bennett are very similar. Same size, speed, big conference, looked good in college. Then nothing. For some reason WR has been a top pick twice in the 2000's with the same outcome.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigsooie5 wrote:
Sebastian Vollmer is a guy I really like. He's the most underrated lineman on one of the best lines in football. He is the #1 RT in the NFL when healthy, absolutely has LT ability, in fact started there as a rookie a couple games. I'm afraid Long, Clady, Albert all get franchised, NE will not franchise Vollmer because he's a RT. Go to their forum and see how nervous they all are about loosing him, they know someone is going to want him as a LT no way I see him resigning.

EDIT: forgot to mention the only reason I see teams being a bit Leary of Vollmer is because of previous back problems. Which surely worries me, but he's started every game do far this season and is proving how dominant he can be when healthy.


The health is an issue with Vollmer.

My realistic list,

1. Albert
2. Bushrod
3. Vollmer
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just seen this video of Bushrod gaurding J. Smith...not pretty. looked like last night!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82600ee5/No-stopping-him
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigsooie5 wrote:
Sebastian Vollmer is a guy I really like. He's the most underrated lineman on one of the best lines in football. He is the #1 RT in the NFL when healthy, absolutely has LT ability, in fact started there as a rookie a couple games. I'm afraid Long, Clady, Albert all get franchised, NE will not franchise Vollmer because he's a RT. Go to their forum and see how nervous they all are about loosing him, they know someone is going to want him as a LT no way I see him resigning.

EDIT: forgot to mention the only reason I see teams being a bit Leary of Vollmer is because of previous back problems. Which surely worries me, but he's started every game do far this season and is proving how dominant he can be when healthy.
You can make book that, if the Bears get Volmer, he will have huge back problems. It is a lock.
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Jermichael Finley - TE - Packers
Jermichael Finley acknowledges that he's no lock to return to Green Bay under a $4.45 million salary and $3.5 million roster bonus due in March.
"I love that question man," Finley said. "I don't know. All I know is I have talent. And if Green Bay decides to do something with me, I'm 25 years old." Finley is frustrated that he's been dropped to the fourth option in the passing game. "I think (Randall) Cobb's taken my position from '09," said Finley. "I want to line up where Cobb's lining up because I know the ball's coming there." Backup D.J. Williams should be stashed in deeper Dynasty leagues.


I know he's had issues with drops, but the guy has tons of talent and has shown that he can out it all together. Being only 25, I would love to target him in FA if they do cut him this offseason.
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WindyCity wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
Sebastian Vollmer is a guy I really like. He's the most underrated lineman on one of the best lines in football. He is the #1 RT in the NFL when healthy, absolutely has LT ability, in fact started there as a rookie a couple games. I'm afraid Long, Clady, Albert all get franchised, NE will not franchise Vollmer because he's a RT. Go to their forum and see how nervous they all are about loosing him, they know someone is going to want him as a LT no way I see him resigning.

EDIT: forgot to mention the only reason I see teams being a bit Leary of Vollmer is because of previous back problems. Which surely worries me, but he's started every game do far this season and is proving how dominant he can be when healthy.


The health is an issue with Vollmer.

My realistic list,

1. Albert
2. Bushrod
3. Vollmer

Yes it is surely concerning with a guy of his size having back issues. Although besides his one back surgery of which he has come back to start every game at RT this season for the Pats in dominating fashion, he's only had one other injury which was a concussion his rookie year only missing two games. I think people may exaggerate his injuries to an extend, once Long, Albert, Clady get franchised Vollmer will unquestionably be the best OT left. I don't see Bushrod near Vollmers level when healthy.
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pigsooie5 wrote:
Sebastian Vollmer is a guy I really like. He's the most underrated lineman on one of the best lines in football. He is the #1 RT in the NFL when healthy, absolutely has LT ability, in fact started there as a rookie a couple games. I'm afraid Long, Clady, Albert all get franchised, NE will not franchise Vollmer because he's a RT. Go to their forum and see how nervous they all are about loosing him, they know someone is going to want him as a LT no way I see him resigning.

EDIT: forgot to mention the only reason I see teams being a bit Leary of Vollmer is because of previous back problems. Which surely worries me, but he's started every game do far this season and is proving how dominant he can be when healthy.
You can make book that, if the Bears get Volmer, he will have huge back problems. It is a lock.

Laughing You know your absolutely right Al. That thought was in the back of my mind, given our OL luck he'd come in and re injure his back.
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Andre Smith is an interesting guy who could be available. RT or OG.
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Andre Smith is an interesting guy who could be available. RT or OG.


Smith is versatile and good, but his weight concerns me because the eye ball tests tells me that he is at lest 375lbs and he could get bigger.

I would be happy with the signing as he instantly becomes our best OLmen.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/24/jake-longs-decline-creates-dilemma-for-dolphins/

Jake Long apparently has some serious declines in his play and may hit the market.
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