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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gabbert doesn't pass the eye test........at all. He's innacurate. He takes unnecessary sacks. Henne's problem is he's inconsistent. When Henne is on, he's pretty easily better than Gabbert. But there's always a time in the game where Henne is off, and he either throws a pick or just misses throws for an extended period of time. But Henne, when on, is better than Gabbert. Neither are good, but Henne is the lesser of two evils.


Gabbert completed 4.4% more of his passes, and coming into yesterday, their sack rate was exactly the same 7.3%. Henne now has a 8.3% sack rate.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gabbert doesn't pass the eye test........at all. He's innacurate. He takes unnecessary sacks. Henne's problem is he's inconsistent. When Henne is on, he's pretty easily better than Gabbert. But there's always a time in the game where Henne is off, and he either throws a pick or just misses throws for an extended period of time. But Henne, when on, is better than Gabbert. Neither are good, but Henne is the lesser of two evils.


Gabbert completed 4.4% more of his passes, and coming into yesterday, their sack rate was exactly the same 7.3%. Henne now has a 8.3% sack rate.

There's a difference between taking sacks and taking unnecessary sacks though. Henne gets hit when he has free rushers coming at him, and you'll notice that Henne is on his back after a hit on almost every play. Sometimes he'll hold onto the ball too long, but usually he is sacked because of a collapsing O-line. There's a reason Henne is rushing so much, and it's not because he's fast.
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Henne is more inaccurate than Blaine, also takes unnecessary sacks, stares down his receivers like there is no tomorrow, extremely careless with the football and wears footsie pajamas.

Could have been picked 7 times yesterday because #LOCKONHENNE was in full effect.


He is rarely ever "on". I'd take Blaine over Chad any day.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Henne is more inaccurate than Blaine, also takes unnecessary sacks, stares down his receivers like there is no tomorrow, extremely careless with the football and wears footsie pajamas.

Could have been picked 7 times yesterday because #LOCKONHENNE was in full effect.

He does lock on. That's an issue. His decision making is by far his biggest problem.


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He is rarely ever "on". I'd take Blaine over Chad any day.

Well that's not really true. And cool, take Blaine. Neither are going to get us anywhere. Chad is just slightly better.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's a difference between taking sacks and taking unnecessary sacks though. Henne gets hit when he has free rushers coming at him, and you'll notice that Henne is on his back after a hit on almost every play. Sometimes he'll hold onto the ball too long, but usually he is sacked because of a collapsing O-line.


I don't have the stats for the second Indy game or second Houston game (and he wasn't sacked in Houston, so it doesn't matter). The average time from when Gabbert got the snap to when he got hit with a sack was 2.51 seconds. Only 4 QBs in the entire NFL averaged less time up to that point in the season.

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There's a reason Henne is rushing so much, and it's not because he's fast.
Gabbert actually ran more often...

Gabbert
318 total drop backs - 21 sacks (6.6%) - 18 rushes (5.6%)

Henne
355 total drop backs - 28 sacks (7.8%) - 19 rushes (5.3%)

Percentages are based on total drop backs; attempts+sacks+rushes, as opposed to the normal sacks+attempts.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
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Henne is better than Gabs, but wow do we have an awful QB situation.


lol no he isn't

lol yes he is
Not that this argument is going anywhere.


Present your case as to how Henne is better than Gabbert. I don't understand how anyone could make it. Gabbert passed the eye test better than Henne and the numbers back up Gabbert and that's with the conservatism during his run as QB this year, B14ckmon coming on mid-season (which favors Henne), and a career game for Henne.

Henne doesn't pass the eye test........at all. He's innacurate. He throws unnecessary passes resulting in INTs. Gabbert's problem is he's inconsistent. When Gabbert is on, he's pretty easily better than Henne. But there's always a time in the game where Gabbert is off, and he either throws a pick (lol jk) or just misses throws for an extended period of time. But Gabbert, when on (or off), is better than Henne. Neither are good, but Gabbert is the lesser of two evils.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Henne is better than Gabs, but wow do we have an awful QB situation.


lol no he isn't

lol yes he is
Not that this argument is going anywhere.


Present your case as to how Henne is better than Gabbert. I don't understand how anyone could make it. Gabbert passed the eye test better than Henne and the numbers back up Gabbert and that's with the conservatism during his run as QB this year, B14ckmon coming on mid-season (which favors Henne), and a career game for Henne.

Henne doesn't pass the eye test........at all. He's innacurate. He throws unnecessary passes resulting in INTs. Gabbert's problem is he's inconsistent. When Gabbert is on, he's pretty easily better than Henne. But there's always a time in the game where Gabbert is off, and he either throws a pick (lol jk) or just misses throws for an extended period of time. But Gabbert, when on (or off), is better than Henne. Neither are good, but Gabbert is the lesser of two evils.


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If it's opposite day.
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Or you're just wrong. If you watched every game this season and truly believe that then I'm at a loss for words.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or you're just wrong. If you watched every game this season and truly believe that then I'm at a loss for words.

Or you're just wrong.
I think the exact same way. Except the opposite.
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I'm not sure how you could watch what happened with Gabbert and come to the conclusion that he was taking stupid sacks from holding the ball too long. There were free rushers coming from LG and RT at him constantly, and the 2.51 seconds stat backs that up.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Or you're just wrong. If you watched every game this season and truly believe that then I'm at a loss for words.

Or you're just wrong.
I think the exact same way. Except the opposite.


You're the only one with this opinion and you only have it because of Henne's performance against the Texans.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Or you're just wrong. If you watched every game this season and truly believe that then I'm at a loss for words.

Or you're just wrong.
I think the exact same way. Except the opposite.


You're the only one with this opinion and you only have it because of Henne's performance against the Texans.

No, I'm not, it's a majority opinion.
And Henne's game against the Texans wasn't even his best performance this season.
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Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Or you're just wrong. If you watched every game this season and truly believe that then I'm at a loss for words.

Or you're just wrong.
I think the exact same way. Except the opposite.


You're the only one with this opinion and you only have it because of Henne's performance against the Texans.

No, I'm not, it's a majority opinion.
And Henne's game against the Texans wasn't even his best performance this season.


A majority opinion? You're literally the only one in this thread stating it. iPwn, KYID, and myself are all opposed to it. I don't care if some randy from the Browns or wherever thinks because he watches ESPN or NFL Network that Henne > Gabbert btw.

What was his best performance? I really want to hear this.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Or you're just wrong. If you watched every game this season and truly believe that then I'm at a loss for words.

Or you're just wrong.
I think the exact same way. Except the opposite.


You're the only one with this opinion and you only have it because of Henne's performance against the Texans.

No, I'm not, it's a majority opinion.
And Henne's game against the Texans wasn't even his best performance this season.


A majority opinion? You're literally the only one in this thread stating it. iPwn, KYID, and myself are all opposed to it. I don't care if some randy from the Browns or wherever thinks because he watches ESPN or NFL Network that Henne > Gabbert btw.

What was his best performance? I really want to hear this.

Only one in a thread=minority? Laughing Okay.
Henne played best in the first Tennessee game.
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I'm fairly indifferent when it comes to Gabbert vs Henne. They both have plenty of issues.

In terms of the 'eye test', i'd say Henne's willingness to be aggressive with the ball is the biggest advantage he has over Gabbert. Blaine so often looks afraid to fit the ball into tight windows, and everything about his play gives off the impression that he's not entirely confident in what he's doing. Of course, Henne's swagger and attempts to fit balls in tight windows is also one of his biggest downsides...as he doesn't really have the accuracy or talent to make it work without racking up INTs. Henne also gets the edge in terms of standing in there and making a throw when he's about to get decked, and i think it's foolish to attribute Blackmon 'getting it' entirely to Blackmon alone. I do think that some chemistry with Henne played into that in some measure. Though it's impossible to say how much.

Gabbert's biggest advantage is his youth. He's still got a lot of time left on the clock as far as development goes. And he has some of the natural talent to be a much better QB than Henne.

At this point, gun to my head, i have to choose...i'd say Henne is the marginally more effective QB right now. But that could change fairly easily.

And really, at this point arguing between the two is a bit like 'The Tallest Midget'. But despite that...

iPwn wrote:
I'm not sure how you could watch what happened with Gabbert and come to the conclusion that he was taking stupid sacks from holding the ball too long. There were free rushers coming from LG and RT at him constantly, and the 2.51 seconds stat backs that up.


To me, this is just as big an issue. Our O-Line is trash, outside of Monroe. Few QBs are going to put up good numbers in terms of avoiding sacks behind that group. And building a top-tier O-Line is one of the best ways to get the most out of a mediocre at best QB imo. And never a bad idea for the future.
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