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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Free needs to go. It's not my money, but I'd be damned before I gave Doug Free $7M next year.


We'd save $3m cutting him


How do we save $3M by cutting him? Looks to me like Dallas would take an $8.35M hit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/doug-free/


We take $8.35m hit which is less than the $11.175m hit if we keep him


ummm...yeah. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
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Free needs to go. It's not my money, but I'd be damned before I gave Doug Free $7M next year.


We'd save $3m cutting him


How do we save $3M by cutting him? Looks to me like Dallas would take an $8.35M hit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/doug-free/


We take $8.35m hit which is less than the $11.175m hit if we keep him


That's not to mention the $8M base salary in 2014. Free needs to go. I'm confident that we could get a more than capable RT for the $11M+ we'd save by cutting free over the next 2 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Slamman wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
WizardHawk wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
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Free needs to go. It's not my money, but I'd be damned before I gave Doug Free $7M next year.


We'd save $3m cutting him


How do we save $3M by cutting him? Looks to me like Dallas would take an $8.35M hit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/doug-free/


We take $8.35m hit which is less than the $11.175m hit if we keep him


That's not to mention the $8M base salary in 2014. Free needs to go. I'm confident that we could get a more than capable RT for the $11M+ we'd save by cutting free over the next 2 years.


Yet another reason to prove Jerry's incompetence. Had he not cut the GOAT, we wouldn't be in this mess. McQuistan would've saved us.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seven sacks against the Browns, and here is the responsibility tracker:

Sack 1. Jermey Parnell

Sack 2. (in order from most responsibility to least) BurninDuece, Doug Free, Dockery

Sack 3. Doug Free

Sack 4. (in order)Felix Jones, Doug Free

Sack 5. Could arguably be considered a coverage sack, but ultimately... Doug Free

Sack 6. (in order) BurninDuece, Jermey Parnell

Sack 7. Doug Free


So by my count, the 7 sacks are divided and result in these quotients that represent the amount of blame:

Doug Free: 3.83333 out of 7
Jermey Parnell: 1.5 out of 7
Burnin Duece: .83333 out of 7
Felix Jones: .5 out of 7
Derrick Dockery: .33333 out of 7

It sucks that the one O linemen we shouldn't be worried about is the one responsible for over half of Sundays sacks.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To challenge what Jerry said about Doug Free's "stellar" play, here's what Michael Irvin had to say:

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2012/11/michael-irvin-tells-cowboys-rt-doug-free-to-tighten-down-or-get-out.html/

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Oh my God, Doug Free, man. Im talking about, Jimmy Johnson would cut him on the spot.


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Doug Free, you got to tighten up or you need to be free. Im telling you right now. Tighten down or get out! Thats what you do.


There's the difference, folks. The old Dallas Cowboys would not only have their players hold each other accountable, but a real head coach would've dumped that loser on the spot. Instead, Jerry praises him.
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I'm not a fan of keeping Doug Free either. But I understand cutting him would cost us money. Can we move him to GUARD? Draft a RT?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not a fan of keeping Doug Free either. But I understand cutting him would cost us money. Can we move him to GUARD? Draft a RT?


I see this thrown out quite a bit and don't know why. Free doesn't strike as a guy who could hold up on the interior in any fashion.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not a fan of keeping Doug Free either. But I understand cutting him would cost us money. Can we move him to GUARD? Draft a RT?


I see this thrown out quite a bit and don't know why. Free doesn't strike as a guy who could hold up on the interior in any fashion.


When he has his feet under him he's tough guy to move - it seems that his poor footwork is getting him in trouble and that's when you see him get blown up and pushed into Romo's lap. Moving him inside takes away a lot of space and lets him work in a phone booth, allowing for him to set his feet and go.

Not saying it'd work but I can see why - in theory - it might
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Yea, I am over the Free experiment. How can someone be so good on the left and so bad on the right.
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He was terrible last year, too.

I think he could be a competent guard, but not good enough to justify his salary. Sucks it only saves $3M against the cap to cut him, but he's probably still gone, not like any owner would pay him $8M.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was terrible last year, too.

I think he could be a competent guard, but not good enough to justify his salary. Sucks it only saves $3M against the cap to cut him, but he's probably still gone, not like any owner would pay him $8M.


Saves $3M this year, but $15M in the long run.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we do dump Free after the year, I'd be all for bringing in Andre Smith.

While he hasn't lived up to his high draft status, he has developed into a good right tackle over the last year or two in Cincinnati. That would allow us to still devote our draft resources to the interior of the o-line. So maybe something like:

LT - T. Smith
LG - Arkin/Livings
C - Costa
RG - Cooper/Warmack
RT - A. Smith
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MaddHatter wrote:
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Bob Sturm just wrote probably the article on the subject (on a side note, im pretty sure he reads my posts)...

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/

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despite thinking the offensive line could not get worse than it was in 2010, they might have actually downgraded in 2011. And then we figured out that the offensive line was even worse in 2011, we felt any change would clearly be an upgrade in 2012. And I am now about ready to admit that I may have been wrong again. This 2012 version may actually be even worse than 2011 and 2010.

Think about what that says.

They have gone from being a weakness on this team to a unit that seems incapable of allowing the offense to call any play - run or pass - with any degree of consistency. Provided that Jason Garrett turns things over to Tony Romo so that he can attempt to escape another sack, all the while, making things up as he goes, they at least have a chance to compete.


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MH, Do you ever get to listen to Sturm on the radio in Dallas. I also live in DFW, and if you want stats he is the guy you turn to find things out.
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buckwild wrote:
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Bob Sturm just wrote probably the article on the subject (on a side note, im pretty sure he reads my posts)...

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/

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despite thinking the offensive line could not get worse than it was in 2010, they might have actually downgraded in 2011. And then we figured out that the offensive line was even worse in 2011, we felt any change would clearly be an upgrade in 2012. And I am now about ready to admit that I may have been wrong again. This 2012 version may actually be even worse than 2011 and 2010.

Think about what that says.

They have gone from being a weakness on this team to a unit that seems incapable of allowing the offense to call any play - run or pass - with any degree of consistency. Provided that Jason Garrett turns things over to Tony Romo so that he can attempt to escape another sack, all the while, making things up as he goes, they at least have a chance to compete.


Bob just read my mind - it's been blown


MH, Do you ever get to listen to Sturm on the radio in Dallas. I also live in DFW, and if you want stats he is the guy you turn to find things out.


What station is he on? I used to read his detailed reports
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