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Doom92
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 Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: Miller > Watt |
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He is the best defensive player and is just a straight up beast against the pass and the run. Watt is definitely second and close to Miller, but Miller is the best defensive player in the league right now.
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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While Miller is an absolute monster, remember that he played Jeromey Clary and Mike Harris today.....
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | While Miller is an absolute monster, remember that he played Jeromey Clary and Mike Harris today..... |
He's done this against every single team he's played. He's an absolute terror.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | While Miller is an absolute monster, remember that he played Jeromey Clary and Mike Harris today..... |
its not like miller hasnt been a beast this year against other teams. I think this argument is grounded in reality. |
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Broncos_OTM
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | While Miller is an absolute monster, remember that he played Jeromey Clary and Mike Harris today..... |
its not like miller hasnt been a beast this year against other teams. I think this argument is grounded in reality. |
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kenney
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I want to argue, but I'm not sure I can.
Von Miller is better than even I thought he'd be.
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EMG58
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | While Miller is an absolute monster, remember that he played Jeromey Clary and Mike Harris today..... |
he did but he has been good the whole season. and hes been on fire the last couple of weeks. he has 7 sacks in the last 3 weeks. and now is leading the nfl in sacks and TFL.
this is going to be a close one. Both of them deserve it. Both have been monsters for their team. Cant wait to see who wins this. |
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dbronx42
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Watt may have had the best start to the season, but NOBODY is playing better on the defensive side of the ball the past 6 games than Von Miller. Leads the league in sacks and tackles for loss. Not saying it's over as there are 6 weeks left, but Miller is the leader as of now IMO.
45 tackles, 13 TFL, 13 sacks, 4 FF's
I love both of these guys though. Should be fun to see what they do in the final stretch of the season.
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Broncos_OTM
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| kenney wrote: | I want to argue, but I'm not sure I can.
Von Miller is better than even I thought he'd be. |
when i argue for miller i mean no disrespect. I loved watt coming-out.
I think its neck and neck right now. With games against kc twice and oakland once still to com |
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Broncos_OTM
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| kenney wrote: | I want to argue, but I'm not sure I can.
Von Miller is better than even I thought he'd be. |
when i argue for miller i mean no disrespect. I loved watt coming-out.
I think its neck and neck right now. With games against kc twice and oakland once still to com |
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GaTechRavens
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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It's still Watt. It's not like he's hit a slump of any kind - he picked up another sack and deflection today. 11.5 sacks for a 3-4 defensive end is more impressive than 13 for an edge rusher.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Broncos_OTM wrote: | | kenney wrote: | I want to argue, but I'm not sure I can.
Von Miller is better than even I thought he'd be. |
when i argue for miller i mean no disrespect. I loved watt coming-out.
I think its neck and neck right now. With games against kc twice and oakland once still to com |
And as I've said in other threads, I'm in no way trying to discredit Miller, simply temper the results a tad, particularly when drawing the comparisons to Watt.
I'm not even sure I'd straight up compare them - it's not quite to the level of trying to compare a DB to a DL or LB, but there is something to be considered that Watt is being (as the Bears game will show) double on most plays and in some cases triple-teamed... AND STILL producing. Which isn't something I've quite yet seen from Miller - again, not Von's fault, it's the nature of the the position he plays.
I do think it is relevant to bring up too that Von's last three weeks, not even arguable that they've been his best as more than half of his sack total has come in those 3 weeks combined, have drawn Jeromey Clary, Andre Smith (notoriously vulnerable to speed rushers), and Zach Strief. Not saying Watt hasn't seen some cupcakes on his schedule (though oddly, his best production came against the better lines - which isn't something I'd be as quick to say about Miller), as Jacksonville's, Chicago's, and Tennessee's interior OL are nothing to write home about; it's just food for thought.
I want to stress I'm in no way trying to categorize Miller's season this year as say akin to Kamerion Wimbley's '11 season. But, while I do agree that the pair of them (Watt and Miller) are neck and neck, I'm confidently giving the current edge to Watt on degree of difficulty due to competition faced more regularly.
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Watt is superior than Miller relative to their respective positions. Therefore, I think Watt is a better and more dominant player. There are a lot of players who can do the things Miller does. How many 6-6 300 pound 5 tech DEs are there who are as disruptive as Watt. Probably just Justin Smith and Calais Campbell, but even those two arent on Watt's level.
Though its debatable to what position Miller really plays. He really cant be compared to 4-3 OLBs, nor can he be compared to 4-3 DEs. I basically put him in the same group as the other 3-4 OLBs in the league. |
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Jakuvious
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Miller is flashier and hotter at the moment, but he is not better. No insult to him, of course, but Watt is on a very very rare level. Miller is playing great, but a more normal great, if that makes sense.
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DreDay80
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| GaTechRavens wrote: | | It's still Watt. It's not like he's hit a slump of any kind - he picked up another sack and deflection today. 11.5 sacks for a 3-4 defensive end is more impressive than 13 for an edge rusher. |
And he made two extremely clutch plays to just absolutely CRUSH the Jaguars momentum when they got to our 5 yard line. An explosion through the POA to stuff the back immediately after the handoff and a tip to force a field goal. |
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