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Niedermaier


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: O Line Reply with quote

I dont post here much, but i believe our BIGGEST need this off-season is the O-line. NOT CB or WR.

#1 we have no guards

#2 i challenge you to name me someone on the O-line who is not a starter (we have no depth)

#3 Jake long is not going to be re-signed (We need a LT)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(NIEDAMIERS RIGHT! WE NEED GUARDS!)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garner who I thought did well last season and would start this yr.. somewhere
and Samuda... who I know only because he's the reason we traded Cook
but Yes I agee. which is why I like ad would love to draft Barrett Jones OT/OG/C 6'5" 311 and Omoregie Uzzi OG 6'3" 300
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niedermaier wrote:
(NIEDAMIERS RIGHT! WE NEED GUARDS!)




Haha! Welcome back! Smile


You know, it's a funny topic because while Guard is definitely one of our more pressing needs, it's not really a position you address with your top pick(s) and this draft is supposed to offer some really excellent options amongst the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round guys anyway.

I agree on the need. I don't think it'll stop us from the benefits a 1st round WR, TE or DE would bring though. We should still be able to go in that direction I would imagine.

That's something working in our favor! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlos2104 wrote:
We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad


When people say we need a GM that can draft for the ZBS and the WCO, they're exactly right. There's no question. You always need a guy who can scout and draft for what your demands are.

If I thought there was a golden nugget out there or I knew Ireland was destined for failure I'd be all for making a switch. Ireland's always been able to find guys in the mold of what he's looking for but unfortunately he's now in a spot where he's going to have to draft using a different concept versus what he's used for the last decade.

Without seeing the future though, I have to honor the belief that continuity is our best step forward. So hopefully, between Ireland, Philbin, Sherman & our Scouts we can get the job done as far as bringing in more agile blockers.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlos2104 wrote:
We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad


there's diffrence between drafting former TE's turned OL.. with only a season or two experience... and drafting guys with 40+ games under their belt... and what we need to stop doing is "reaching"
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phinmun wrote:
carlos2104 wrote:
We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad


When people say we need a GM that can draft for the ZBS and the WCO, they're exactly right. There's no question. You always need a guy who can scout and draft for what your demands are.

If I thought there was a golden nugget out there or I knew Ireland was destined for failure I'd be all for making a switch. Ireland's always been able to find guys in the mold of what he's looking for but unfortunately he's now in a spot where he's going to have to draft using a different concept versus what he's used for the last decade.

Without seeing the future though, I have to honor the belief that continuity is our best step forward. So hopefully, between Ireland, Philbin, Sherman & our Scouts we can get the job done as far as bringing in more agile blockers.
I agree. The problem is, these guys didn't even work out for Sparano. In theory Jerry should have been a great mauling guard, but I didn't see it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats so wrong with drafting a LT in the first? (show hate)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlos2104 wrote:
phinmun wrote:
carlos2104 wrote:
We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad


When people say we need a GM that can draft for the ZBS and the WCO, they're exactly right. There's no question. You always need a guy who can scout and draft for what your demands are.

If I thought there was a golden nugget out there or I knew Ireland was destined for failure I'd be all for making a switch. Ireland's always been able to find guys in the mold of what he's looking for but unfortunately he's now in a spot where he's going to have to draft using a different concept versus what he's used for the last decade.

Without seeing the future though, I have to honor the belief that continuity is our best step forward. So hopefully, between Ireland, Philbin, Sherman & our Scouts we can get the job done as far as bringing in more agile blockers.
I agree. The problem is, these guys didn't even work out for Sparano. In theory Jerry should have been a great mauling guard, but I didn't see it.


I'm not sure what to think of Sparano as an O-line coach.

I'm leaning towards the idea he might actually be horrible.

He came to Miami under the premise that O-Line would be his specialty as HC.

He then had 4 years to develop players here in Miami along the line for his preferred scheme yet Jake Long remained the only serviceable guy we had during that entire time. It was as though we wanted to prove we could build a line out of no-names and late-rounders.

We started a new rookie at RG each of his 4 seasons. That's a terrible history!

We never improved over Carey at RT and actually started Marc Columbo for an entire year! That's just embarrassing.

We traded away a solid ZBS Center in Samson Satele in favor of big, fat, useless Jake Grove. You know he had a hand in that and it was a total failure.

We know from hearing Philbin and his coaches that John Jerry has impressed them with some of his upside but that work ethic and discipline seems to be his primary issue. Sparano was never able to get Jerry straightened out and it's looking like Philbin might not either. Thomas is decent enough up there in New England that it makes you wonder...


...how freakin' bad was Tony Sparano?!

And then, after he proves he sucks he goes up to NY and has screwed up whatever was holding that O-line together. I'm not sure Sparano has any idea what the hell he's doing. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phinmun wrote:
carlos2104 wrote:
phinmun wrote:
carlos2104 wrote:
We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad


When people say we need a GM that can draft for the ZBS and the WCO, they're exactly right. There's no question. You always need a guy who can scout and draft for what your demands are.

If I thought there was a golden nugget out there or I knew Ireland was destined for failure I'd be all for making a switch. Ireland's always been able to find guys in the mold of what he's looking for but unfortunately he's now in a spot where he's going to have to draft using a different concept versus what he's used for the last decade.

Without seeing the future though, I have to honor the belief that continuity is our best step forward. So hopefully, between Ireland, Philbin, Sherman & our Scouts we can get the job done as far as bringing in more agile blockers.
I agree. The problem is, these guys didn't even work out for Sparano. In theory Jerry should have been a great mauling guard, but I didn't see it.


I'm not sure what to think of Sparano as an O-line coach.

I'm leaning towards the idea he might actually be horrible.

He came to Miami under the premise that O-Line would be his specialty as HC.


He then had 4 years to develop players here in Miami along the line for his preferred scheme yet Jake Long remained the only serviceable guy we had during that entire time. It was as though we wanted to prove we could build a line out of no-names and late-rounders.

We started a new rookie at RG each of his 4 seasons. That's a terrible history!

We never improved over Carey at RT and actually started Marc Columbo for an entire year! That's just embarrassing.

We traded away a solid ZBS Center in Samson Satele in favor of big, fat, useless Jake Grove. You know he had a hand in that and it was a total failure.

We know from hearing Philbin and his coaches that John Jerry has impressed them with some of his upside but that work ethic and discipline seems to be his primary issue. Sparano was never able to get Jerry straightened out and it's looking like Philbin might not either. Thomas is decent enough up there in New England that it makes you wonder...


...how freakin' bad was Tony Sparano?!

And then, after he proves he sucks he goes up to NY and has screwed up whatever was holding that O-line together. I'm not sure Sparano has any idea what the hell he's doing. Evil or Very Mad


Bravo ... Ive been saying that about TS here for the past 2.5 - 3 yrs !!!

I hate to say it & I've taken some flack here for it last yr & this yr but I'll say it again.

We must start addressing the Oline at the LT position simply cause it requires the highest level of talent.
J. Long cannot be allowed to start at LT next season.

But I do see an options here.

We shift JL to RT & draft a LT in rnd #1 or acquire a URFA LT.
This would kick J. Martin to OG.

At this point we are left to draft or acquire another starting OG.

I wanted to draft a stud sack specialist with the 1st overall pk but based on what I've seen from J. Long that
option is basically off the table unless we replace him with a stud FA LT.

my 2 cents
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends on where Miami picks in the draft and who is available. Starting guards can easily be obtained all the way through the 3rd round. Same can be said for RT. LT is a bit trickier BUT, if Miami believes Martin can play LT then there is absolutely no reason to draft an OL with the first two picks. You also have to consider WR's tend to Take longer to develop. That being said I think it is crucial Miami draft their WR's of the future ASAP.


Speaking of guards, I watched the Eagles/Redskins game yesterday and recently signed Jake Scott looked better than any guard we have.
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hammer wrote:
It really depends on where Miami picks in the draft and who is available. Starting guards can easily be obtained all the way through the 3rd round. Same can be said for RT. LT is a bit trickier BUT, if Miami believes Martin can play LT then there is absolutely no reason to draft an OL with the first two picks. You also have to consider WR's tend to Take longer to develop. That being said I think it is crucial Miami draft their WR's of the future ASAP.


Speaking of guards, I watched the Eagles/Redskins game yesterday and recently signed Jake Scott looked better than any guard we have.


I really have no clue why Jake Scott isn't in a Miami uniform?? Makes no sense to me whatsoever. He is better than either of our current starters and is a better fit in this offense. Baffles me really.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlos2104 wrote:
We like to draft guards! Shaun Murphy, Donald Thomas, John Jerry. All these guys have turned out to be studs......right? right? Sad


Depends on when you think Jeff Ireland really took control. John Jerry could be a stud in the right offense. He actually played pretty well at RT. But yeah, I get your point. This draft is so deep at guard I don't think anyone could screw it up.
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Its kinda funny and in a sense not so funny. In recent years in many of my mocks I have us taking OG's and OT's that are highly rated early and in the process take flak for the mock.

I can understand the need of a franchise quarterback but it seems to me to be putting the cart before the horse when you don't have an offensive line capable to pass protect and run block.

Then again we can always hope our franchise quarterback can run for his life until we finally get a solid offensive line.

I'll start again now.. Barrett Jones Round One.
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