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Who would you rather have?
Ryan Tannehill
39%
 39%  [ 33 ]
Russell WIlson
41%
 41%  [ 35 ]
To early to call
19%
 19%  [ 16 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Higher Ceiling is pretty much only due to height, if Wilson overcomes that long term then there is nothing Tannehill has that Wilson doesn't.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Russell Wilson dancing around his pocket drives me nuts - feel so bad for his offensive line sometimes. He's got a nice deep ball, but other than some intangible aspects, it's hard to even compare him to Tannehill. As said, Tannehill has an inferior supporting cast (by a hefty margin) and has very well this season.

Tannehill I see as a franchise QB, Russell Wilson as more of a below-average starter who is eventually phased out.


Him dancing in the pocket was much more of an issue earlier in the year. The strides he's already made with his weaknesses is actually pretty astonishing. Sounds like you're basing your opinion off of nothing but early season play. Admittedly I'm not the biggest Wilson supporter, but some of the things being said in this thread about him just seem outdated or incorrect.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree that Wilson has a better supporting cast, but the biggest change on our offense is the new QB. Last year Jackson had the same offense that Wilson does, but did an awful job, our leading receiver was an UDFA, I would argue that it's the change in QB that made the change in WR play and not the other way around.


This part of your argument I don't agree with at all. Who was supposed to be your leading receiver last season? Rice who was always hurt last season? Miller who was primarily blocking? Tate?

Come on now...


So Sidney Rice playing for 7 more games (Assuming he stays healthy) is whats making the differences for Seattle and not the new QB under center? Ok..
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting to see how Tannehill is almost a consensus answer in here. I think it's almost 50/50 at this point and both QBs are looking great for the most part as rookies. I'm sure both fanbases are happy with who they have under center now.


Why can't everyone always be this even minded?! Laughing

But I agree with SoS. I can't bash on Tannehill cause I was a huge supporter of him coming out of the draft, and I'd be lying if I said that the had been disappointing this season. The other hand, I have been morenthan pleased with Wlsons play this season.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating
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darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.
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jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


Why is that laughable? I don't see any reason to expect him to regress given the improvement pattern. It isn't like he'll stop working hard/preparing or that he is running some gimmick offense that teams will figure out.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


He was pretty good against the Jets. I was impressed by how he was escape the pressure, which he certainly couldn't have expected from the Jets defense. He was helped out by the fact that the Jets defense was worn out at the end of the game.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darnell wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


Why is that laughable? I don't see any reason to expect him to regress given the improvement pattern. It isn't like he'll stop working hard/preparing or that he is running some gimmick offense that teams will figure out.


Why is it laughable that you just claimed his floor is 90 QBR? SERIOUSLY?

The guy has been atrocious on the road and a lot of rookie QBs hit a wall around Week 12 or 13.
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jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


Why is that laughable? I don't see any reason to expect him to regress given the improvement pattern. It isn't like he'll stop working hard/preparing or that he is running some gimmick offense that teams will figure out.


Why is it laughable that you just claimed his floor is 90 QBR? SERIOUSLY?

The guy has been atrocious on the road and a lot of rookie QBs hit a wall around Week 12 or 13.


Maybe we intepret a 90 qbr differently. A 90 qbr says to me "pretty good, not elite". I think "decent" with a qbr just outside the top 10 is very sustainable so long as they don't let everything around him go to crap like Sanchez with the Jets. I think "high-end game manager" is a very realistic floor.
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Tannehill


For some reason I thought this was Ryan Tannehill vs Tyler Wilson and I was going to say Tyler Wilson.
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Maybe we intepret a 90 qbr differently. A 90 qbr says to me "pretty good, not elite". I think "decent" with a qbr just outside the top 10 is very sustainable so long as they don't let everything around him go to crap like Sanchez with the Jets. I think "high-end game manager" is a very realistic floor.


There are 13 NFL QBs in the history of the game with a career 90.0+ QBR. And you're saying that's Wilson's floor. There's no differing interpretation. That's not a high-end game manager, that's a great QB.

I'm not saying Wilson can't be that guy but to claim that as his floor is pretty crazy.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


Why is that laughable? I don't see any reason to expect him to regress given the improvement pattern. It isn't like he'll stop working hard/preparing or that he is running some gimmick offense that teams will figure out.


Why is it laughable that you just claimed his floor is 90 QBR? SERIOUSLY?

The guy has been atrocious on the road and a lot of rookie QBs hit a wall around Week 12 or 13.


you're better than this jrry...
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imani wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


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And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


Why is that laughable? I don't see any reason to expect him to regress given the improvement pattern. It isn't like he'll stop working hard/preparing or that he is running some gimmick offense that teams will figure out.


Why is it laughable that you just claimed his floor is 90 QBR? SERIOUSLY?

The guy has been atrocious on the road and a lot of rookie QBs hit a wall around Week 12 or 13.


you're better than this jrry...


And you're not adding to the discussion. Make a point or leave. If you agree that Wilson's floor is the 90 QBR that he has now then jump on in. If you don't, then don't get involved or make a point...
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jrry32 wrote:
imani wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
darnell wrote:
Wilson. His floor is pretty much where he is right now, sitting with a 90 qbr. He looks to be imrpving every week.

Top 7 games by a rookie qb this season. There is hype (where a guy is drafted and then there is what is happening on the field)

1. Griffin III (at NO): 19 of 26, 320 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 rating

2. Wilson (vs. NE): 16 of 27, 293 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 133.7 rating

3. Wilson (vs. NYJ): 12 of 19, 188 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 rating

4. Wilson (vs. MIN): 16 of 24, 173 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 127.3 rating

5. Weeden (at CIN): 26 of 37, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 rating

6. Wilson (vs. DAL): 15 of 20, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 112.7 rating

7. Tannehill (vs. STL): 21 of 29, 185 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 112.0 rating


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
And I watched the Jets game. That wasn't a great performance.


Why is that laughable? I don't see any reason to expect him to regress given the improvement pattern. It isn't like he'll stop working hard/preparing or that he is running some gimmick offense that teams will figure out.


Why is it laughable that you just claimed his floor is 90 QBR? SERIOUSLY?

The guy has been atrocious on the road and a lot of rookie QBs hit a wall around Week 12 or 13.


you're better than this jrry...


And you're not adding to the discussion. Make a point or leave. If you agree that Wilson's floor is the 90 QBR that he has now then jump on in. If you don't, then don't get involved or make a point...


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Leave my own thread? Confused

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Saw this argument in a couple other threads. Want to hear what the people of FF have to say.

To remove bias, I will put forth no personal opinion

Discuss....


3. I wasn't saying that to take a cheap shot at you, i just know you're a better debater than that. Saying wilson will do as most rookies do and hit a will around week 12 or 13 is the easy way out and (not saying you do) it makes you look like a division rival with an agenda, especially when that same argument can be applied to who he's being compared to. I made this thread so guys like you could sound off....i want your best
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