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dutchREDSKIN
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 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:56 am Post subject: The Redskins are 0-8 against rookie QB's since 2006 |
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Upcoming Sunday Nick Foles will make his professional debut as a starter for the Eagles in the NFL. Usually, a mid-season switch to a rookie QB will bring some growing pains. But not against the Redskins.
Picture this, since 2006 the Redskins have played 8 different rookie QB's. Their record? An astonishing 0-8. Just let that sink in for a while. The Redskins have let the rookie versions of Vince Young, Bruce Gradkowski, Trent Edwards, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton and Christian Ponder consecutively beat them.
I find this an incredible stat. To me the Redskins have always looked like they were somehow a cure for struggling teams to turn their season around, and this stat backs that up perfectly. To be beaten time after time by rookie QB's (even with some statistical top-10 defenses) is simply pathetic.
One thing is clear though, the perfect way to ease your rookie QB into the NFL is just to let him play the Washington Redskins! Seeing how pathetic the defense is playing this season, Nick Foles and Brandon Weeden are probably licking their chops already... |
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BigMoneysProtege
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That's a pretty amazing stat. On the other end of the spectrum I believe the Ravens or Steelers are 10-0 recently against rookie QB's. Doesn't bode well from Weeden as he already dropped both Raven's games.
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The Eagles are approximately 0-126 when the odds are seemingly in their favor.
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While that is an interesting stat to look at, records were made to be broken.
Andy Reid was 13-0 following bye weeks coming into this year, and that streak ended.
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It's not a stat... What am I supposed to let sink in? Washington isn't a very good ball club (from owner to ball boy to the fact Redskins is a racial slur - all fail). I'm not surprised they can't win games, that's why they're not good.
As far as the defensive ranking, that's a very deceptive stat. NFL does yards, which is a fairly decent measuring stick, but it leaves much to be desired. Teams that play on short fields against Washington don't put up as many yards. Washington turning over the ball leaves a shorter field to score on, less yards.
As it stands Washington is 27th in points allowed with defensive rank in yards 28th.
Last year, in points 21, but in yards 13th. 2010 in points 21, but in yards 31... Wow, this team really is just plain bad. I guess I have no point with the yards v. points.
So a defense that bad loses to rookies? Not surprised at all. Just wondering when the fans will wise up and not buy that trading away drafts for a QB when their defense is horrible might not be wise. If ever I though it was a good idea for a fanbase to withhold their cash from their favorite team it's Washington. Force Snyder out and get a real owner and get this once glorious franchise back to greatness and not just a golden goose for a billionaire. |
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GaTechRavens
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Dunderhead wrote: | It's not a stat... What am I supposed to let sink in? Washington isn't a very good ball club (from owner to ball boy to the fact Redskins is a racial slur - all fail). I'm not surprised they can't win games, that's why they're not good.
As far as the defensive ranking, that's a very deceptive stat. NFL does yards, which is a fairly decent measuring stick, but it leaves much to be desired. Teams that play on short fields against Washington don't put up as many yards. Washington turning over the ball leaves a shorter field to score on, less yards.
As it stands Washington is 27th in points allowed with defensive rank in yards 28th.
Last year, in points 21, but in yards 13th. 2010 in points 21, but in yards 31... Wow, this team really is just plain bad. I guess I have no point with the yards v. points.
So a defense that bad loses to rookies? Not surprised at all. Just wondering when the fans will wise up and not buy that trading away drafts for a QB when their defense is horrible might not be wise. If ever I though it was a good idea for a fanbase to withhold their cash from their favorite team it's Washington. Force Snyder out and get a real owner and get this once glorious franchise back to greatness and not just a golden goose for a billionaire. |
0-8 is surprising regardless of the team.
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Dunderhead
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| GaTechRavens wrote: |
0-8 is surprising regardless of the team. |
Why?
This years offense for Washington is 7th in points 11.
Differential (difference between offense points scored versus what the defense gives away): (-22 points)
Last year's offense Wash was 16th in points 26th. (-79)
2010's offense was 18th in points 25th. (-75)
2009 the offense was 22nd in points 26th. Dif (-70)
2008 22 and points 28th... Dif (-31)
Sorry, the only anomaly is that this team would win games, which we see in their record. It's a bad ball club, who they lose to is irrelevant, that they get lucky and win a game here is due to sample size and this being a professional team with some talent. |
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Steelerspower
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The steelers are 14-1 vs rookies QB since 2004!
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GaTechRavens
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| Dunderhead wrote: | | GaTechRavens wrote: |
0-8 is surprising regardless of the team. |
Why?
This years offense for Washington is 7th in points 11.
Differential (difference between offense points scored versus what the defense gives away): (-22 points)
Last year's offense Wash was 16th in points 26th. (-79)
2010's offense was 18th in points 25th. (-75)
2009 the offense was 22nd in points 26th. Dif (-70)
2008 22 and points 28th... Dif (-31)
Sorry, the only anomaly is that this team would win games, which we see in their record. It's a bad ball club, who they lose to is irrelevant, that they get lucky and win a game here is due to sample size and this being a professional team with some talent. |
Because that includes games against the 2009 Lions (2-14), 2011 Vikings (3-13), and the 2006 Buccaneers (4-12). Most of the others were against bad teams as well. Logic should dictate they would have a winning record in those games, instead they're 0-8. It's an anomaly any way you spin it.
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The Tank is strong with the Redskins.. Me like, and my oh my they have a bad bad D.
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| If you can't beat em, join em! That is the reason the Redskins drafted 2 rookie QB's, but they done forgot Foles and Wilson!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Luckily for you the eagles of this season find ways to lose games.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| the past is not an indicator of the future... |
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Dunderhead
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| GaTechRavens wrote: |
Because that includes games against the 2009 Lions (2-14), 2011 Vikings (3-13), and the 2006 Buccaneers (4-12). Most of the others were against bad teams as well. Logic should dictate they would have a winning record in those games, instead they're 0-8. It's an anomaly any way you spin it. |
No no no no no! Bad logic says they should have won one of those games. Real logic tells us that it is far more rare that a team goes 0-16. So that team is likely to win a game, probably against a loser club. That loser club would be Washington. Probability also would lean toward those other clubs. And that's taking out circumstance which never favors Washington.
Take note of that Steelers record... Should we look up their defensive rankings or would you just trust that they have a pretty good defense perennially? So the more dependent factor isn't just rookie QB, it also has to be him going against a bad defense?
Completely explainable! No conspiracy... No miracle... No curse. Just logic or lack thereof... It is a "stat" made for those that believe in mysticism. |
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Well then. Going to have my father put his life savings on the Eagles this weekend.
Wish my family luck.
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