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Who wins?
Jaguars
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Texans
44%
 44%  [ 4 ]
People in markets who don't get this game
44%
 44%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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iPwn wrote:
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I'm not saying Henne is great, or even that good, but he put up a better performance off the bench than Gabbert ever has. I realize the receiver helped him out, but he put a spark in the offense. We put up 37 points with him. Why change?
Do you agree that Henne isn't the answer past this season?

Yes.
Then that's why we shouldn't go with him. We need as much info on Blaine as we can get, so we can figure out if we need to draft a QB or if Blaine is the next Eli or Drew Brees.

Can you imagine how good the Chargers would have been if they had trusted in Drew Brees and drafted Larry Fitzgerald with the #1 pick over Eli (eventually Rivers)?
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Regardless of who the QB is, this season is lost. Best case scenario, we beat 5 of the next 6 teams (not really that unreasonable when you see who they are), but what does it matter? We can go 6-10. Does it really make us feel better giving up on our QB, believing we need to replace him and pushing ourselves likely out of contention for one?
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How was it? I love the guy.
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I went to your avy's seminar for extra credit open
How was it? I love the guy.


Entertaining and informative
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How was it? I love the guy.


Entertaining and informative
I listen to his podcast whenever I get a chance. I'd love to go to a seminar.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regardless of who the QB is, this season is lost. Best case scenario, we beat 5 of the next 6 teams (not really that unreasonable when you see who they are), but what does it matter? We can go 6-10. Does it really make us feel better giving up on our QB, believing we need to replace him and pushing ourselves likely out of contention for one?
What's the point in giving Gabbert 6 more games? I cannot think of anything he could possibly show in 6 games that we havent seen in the past 20+ starts. Look I was all for giving Gabby the year to show that he's our guy but the writing is on the wall guys. You play Henne because he gives us the best chance too win, Period. And if along the way it's evident Gabbert gives us the best chance too win we put him in.

Let's face it neither of these guys are very good / the future.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"PLAY HENNE SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN"

but... we're 1-9
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iPwn wrote:
Regardless of who the QB is, this season is lost. Best case scenario, we beat 5 of the next 6 teams (not really that unreasonable when you see who they are), but what does it matter? We can go 6-10. Does it really make us feel better giving up on our QB, believing we need to replace him and pushing ourselves likely out of contention for one?
What's the point in giving Gabbert 6 more games? I cannot think of anything he could possibly show in 6 games that we havent seen in the past 20+ starts. Look I was all for giving Gabby the year to show that he's our guy but the writing is on the wall guys. You play Henne because he gives us the best chance too win, Period. And if along the way it's evident Gabbert gives us the best chance too win we put him in.

Let's face it neither of these guys are very good / the future.


You can't see what he could show in 6 games? Really? A guy who hasn't even had two years to start, and is making slow gains, can't possibly show growth to finish out the season? Is that what you're saying?

Are you saying that he can't play well against the 30th ranked defense (Titans x 2), the 26th ranked defense (Bills), the 27th ranked defense (Patriots), 21st ranked defense (Dolphins) and 14th ranked defense (Jets) and give more of an indication as to whether he can grow as Eli Manning did?
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sadjag wrote:
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Regardless of who the QB is, this season is lost. Best case scenario, we beat 5 of the next 6 teams (not really that unreasonable when you see who they are), but what does it matter? We can go 6-10. Does it really make us feel better giving up on our QB, believing we need to replace him and pushing ourselves likely out of contention for one?
What's the point in giving Gabbert 6 more games? I cannot think of anything he could possibly show in 6 games that we havent seen in the past 20+ starts. Look I was all for giving Gabby the year to show that he's our guy but the writing is on the wall guys. You play Henne because he gives us the best chance too win, Period. And if along the way it's evident Gabbert gives us the best chance too win we put him in.

Let's face it neither of these guys are very good / the future.


You can't see what he could show in 6 games? Really? A guy who hasn't even had two years to start, and is making slow gains, can't possibly show growth to finish out the season? Is that what you're saying?

Are you saying that he can't play well against the 30th ranked defense (Titans x 2), the 26th ranked defense (Bills), the 27th ranked defense (Patriots), 21st ranked defense (Dolphins) and 14th ranked defense (Jets) and give more of an indication as to whether he can grow as Eli Manning did?


No he can't, he doesn't have any arms /durr.

But seriously, we go from good defense and bad QB play to bad defense and Blaine making progress. What does it hurt for him to start and probably lose the last 6 games, and start Henne and create more issues with the outside world. If you start Henne, you basically fire Mularkey and Gene that day because Mike was brought in to save Blaine and Gene, well this is his mess.
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iPwn wrote:
I'd like to point out this:
iPwn wrote:
All the WRs to hit 1,000 yards last season:

In parenthesis, in what season they accrued their first 1,000 yard season, rookie season after the dash.
1. Calvin Johnson (2) - 756 yards
2. Wes Welker (5) - 434 yards
3. Victor Cruz (2) - 0 yards
4. Larry Fitzgerald (2) - 780 yards
5. Steve Smith (3) - 151 yards
6. Rob Gronkowski (2) - 546 yards
7. Jimmy Graham (2) - 356 yards
8. Roddy White (3) - 446 yards
9. Jordy Nelson (4) - 366 yards
10. Brandon Marshall (2) - 309 yards
11. Mike Wallace (2) - 756 yards
12. Hakeem Nicks (2) - 790 yards
13. Dwayne Bowe (2) - 995 yards
14. Marques Colston (1) - 1,038 yards
15. Antonio Brown (2) - 167 yards
16. Vincent Jackson (4) - 59 yards
17. A.J. Green (1) - 1,057
18. Nate Washington (7) - 624 yards
19. Stevie Johnson (3) - 102 yards

Blackmon is on pace for 444 yards right now. That would put him 11th on this list if we were to rank them based on rookie campaigns. Sure, a lot of these guys weren't top 5 picks, but who cares? They're still the best in the league and almost all of them took time to adjust to the NFL game. You draft players for how they will pan out over the course of a career, not how quickly they can put it together.

Maybe it's me, but I'd rather draft a Roddy White or Wes Welker in the top 5 than a Pierre Garçon.



And let everyone know that he's already 9th on this list after that game.



Excellent stats my man. Gald to see my boy break out finally. He's looked like the guy who beasted at OK St. Hope he carries this huge game and momentum into the rest of the season.
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Just for funsies.

Let's say that because those defenses he'll be playing won't be good, that he will have 2 games like his Minnesota game, two games like the Green Bay game and two like the first half of the Oakland game. Those defenses are bad, so I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that he could play something like that. Not saying he will, but it's possible with the level of competition he'll be playing against and with the receivers appearing to finally be stepping up.

294/478 61.5% 3,228 yards 6.7 YPA 19TDs 6INTs 89.49 Passer Rating

If, by some possibility, he finished with those stats (playing the equivalent of about 14.5 games, mind you), do you think it's maybe possible that he would have shown enough to warrant us not drafting a QB with our first pick?


I am, in no way shape or form, suggesting that he will play like that, but if he does, does that maybe tell us that we need to trust in his development and not draft Geno and instead get more pieces to bolster the D or his o-line?

By shutting him down, you're basically saying that nothing he can show you in those last 6 games will sway you from ending his career as your starter. But I certainly think that he could do just that by stringing a few of his better performances together against subpar competition.
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KhanYouDigIt wrote:
What an extremely entertaining game.

Extremely happy to see Blackmon get it going.


On an ugly note, holy defense. Yikes.


While disappointing and frustrating in a whole bunch of unique and special ways, it really was an entertaining game. And seeing Blackmon break out was very encouraging.

That defense was lol though.

Poz was a warrior today though. Right in the middle of all kinds of things, stuffing the run, turnovers, chasing people down. Plus, when he was sitting on the goal line with crazy eyes, face covered in blood, that was just badass. Laughing

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That's pretty shocking. It's both depressing, in that today was one of the best games ever...but also really encouraging because it's our rookie WR who just put that game up.

Adrenaline_Flux wrote:
Honestly, if we don't get Geno, it may be Blaine again. In a competition, I think it'd only be a matter of time before he would beat out Henne. If we draft someone like Dysert or Nassib, they may bring a certain Dalton-esque level of play, but I want a guy who can end up being an elite QB.

IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK FOR???


It could work. I mean, look at what Henne accomplished today...and it's not like Henne is anything special. A Dalton-level young QB could do work. And some of the 'second tier' QBs available this year have some potential to be pretty good NFLers with the right coaching and situation.

Worst case, it all goes terribly wrong, and we're bad again and have a shot at Bridgewater/Smith the year after. Twisted Evil

iPwn wrote:
Most important question of the day:

Do we finally have a good receiving corps?


I think we're still 1 quality piece away from where i'd want us to be. But if this is the player Blackmon is going to be going forward...combined with Shorts IIIs progress this year...that's looking like an awfully good start.

But i think the invisible Robinson and the massively underwhelming results when tossing it to Spurlock today highlighted the need for that 1 extra piece. Adding a big, athletic guy who brings something a bit different from Shorts+Blackmon to the mix could give us a great WR corps. If today is any indication though, well on the way to a great WR corps. Lots to be excited about there today.

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Not sure why he decided to try


Henne told him to try, obviously.


Laughing It's funny, but i wonder if there isn't some truth to it. Not in such direct terms, but watching Henne as a leader...he just looked so much more confident than Gabbert, even when he was sputtering out late, and some of that seemed to rub off on the other players.

Seeing that makes me really wonder about the potential impact of 'Dalton-effect' as mentioned above for this team. Maybe with the right combination of capability and youthful enthusiasm, we'd see more games like this out of our team?


The effort as a whole though, was largely impressive. I mean, the defense still sucked, but for lack of talent more than lack of effort and intensity. I have to give Mularkey and co. credit on that. It would've been really easy for our guys to go in there and just roll over at this point. But they didn't, and i found that encouraging.
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iPwn wrote:
sadjag wrote:
iPwn wrote:
Regardless of who the QB is, this season is lost. Best case scenario, we beat 5 of the next 6 teams (not really that unreasonable when you see who they are), but what does it matter? We can go 6-10. Does it really make us feel better giving up on our QB, believing we need to replace him and pushing ourselves likely out of contention for one?
What's the point in giving Gabbert 6 more games? I cannot think of anything he could possibly show in 6 games that we havent seen in the past 20+ starts. Look I was all for giving Gabby the year to show that he's our guy but the writing is on the wall guys. You play Henne because he gives us the best chance too win, Period. And if along the way it's evident Gabbert gives us the best chance too win we put him in.

Let's face it neither of these guys are very good / the future.


You can't see what he could show in 6 games? Really? A guy who hasn't even had two years to start, and is making slow gains, can't possibly show growth to finish out the season? Is that what you're saying?

Are you saying that he can't play well against the 30th ranked defense (Titans x 2), the 26th ranked defense (Bills), the 27th ranked defense (Patriots), 21st ranked defense (Dolphins) and 14th ranked defense (Jets) and give more of an indication as to whether he can grow as Eli Manning did?
What I'm saying is that we have seen alot of Gabbert. He could come the last 3rd of the season and look like the GOAT, but probably not. Gabbert had this season too show that he could be the man and he hasn't. Look around the league, name another rookie QB that has started for the better part of 2 years and played as badly as Gabby has. The kid's been given his shot and he failed whether we all accept it now or in 6 weeks is irrelevant. I wish he was Eli I really do.... but he's not, neither is he Aikman or Elway.
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When did Johnathan Joseph get injured and did he continue to play after that?

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How was it? I love the guy.


Who is it? I don't recognize him.
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