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ChicagoAl


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Athelite wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
If we lose this game I cannot wait to here the media rape us about losing too all the good teams in the league.

This is going to be a brutal week.
I mean, its a damn fact? Lovie gets out coached by the good coaches, period.
When I have said this repeatedly I get the "oh, you're just an old fool" routine. That, even though I am correct, is hard to argue with. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
Lovie Smith you are just flat out getting your butt handed to you by Harbaugh


Nothing at all to do with the players not executing or anything.
Harbaugh so out-coached Smith it is not funny. The latter had NO idea what the 49ers were doing.

It just killed me that we were not going to take him as head coach when he decided to leave Stanford. While Smith has done a good job so far this year, he routinely gets outcoached and could not put an offense together if his life depended on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
Lovie Smith you are just flat out getting your butt handed to you by Harbaugh


Nothing at all to do with the players not executing or anything.
Harbaugh so out-coached Smith it is not funny. The latter had NO idea what the 49ers were doing.

It just killed me that we were not going to take him as head coach when he decided to leave Stanford. While Smith has done a good job so far this year, he routinely gets outcoached and could not put an offense together if his life depended on it.


Well noted. Look I like Lovie, he seems like a genuinely good person and he has a knack for putting together solid defenses year after year; however, what is this now his 4th or 5th offensive coordinator in 8 or so years?

Enough is enough already. If this offense doesn't show a vast improvement from now until the end of the year, and the team finds itself sitting out of a playoff spot, then there's no one else that deserves the finger pointed at them more than Lovie and that will deserve a firing my friend.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
Athelite wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
Athelite wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
Lovie Smith you are just flat out getting your butt handed to you by Harbaugh


Nothing at all to do with the players not executing or anything.

I really don't know how you can defend our coaching staff right now.


Because it isn't the coaching staff that are being thrown around like rag dolls by the 49ers Oline or the coaching staff that aren't able to cover any of the 9ers receivers...schemes only take you so far...when your guys are getting beaten flat out physically no scheme in the world will stop that.
its all on the head coach no matter how you spin it, if the players out there are getting destroyed they aren't ready to play or they can't play and THE COACH needs to make a damn change.


So we aren’t holding players accountable for their own actions now…that’s a new one…no HC controls 45 men on a game day…these guys have to get it together…do you think Urlacher is blaming Lovie for not having them ready? If you do you’re a mile off my friend…the players on the field are the only guys who can stop being physically dominated.
So your saying theres nothing the coach can do? No changes to be made? From the look of this game seems like you and him are on the same page.


Change what exactly?...it’s not that we are getting beat because we are trying to cover a guy who can’t cover his opponent…it’s not that we are trying to play a scheme that hasn’t been mostly dominant all season on D…it’s that we are being physically beaten up…I don’t see why some have such a hard time understanding that being beat physically has nothing to do with schematics…it has everything to do with the players not stepping up…sure coaches can ball and shout all day for the players to do better but it’s only the players who can actually achieve a better level of play when they are being beaten physically.
There are actually some coaches whose teams never get physically beaten up. Ditka's never did. They might not be any good but the mark of playing the Bears had always been it would hurt and victory would come at a heavy price. That has not been the case for a long time now. And this game was pathetic in every area.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
BEARS24 wrote:
pigsooie5 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
I just cannot believe this effort level.

This team is in trouble if this is how we get up for a huge game against a playoff team.

Which is too bad because we have a limited window with this defence.

The FO and coaching staff HAS to be held accountable... It's ridiculous to me how some people are clouded to that fact.

I hold Jerry Angelo accountable for this team, the fact that we have been somewhat competitive this year is an incredible display of what Phil Emery has done...


The stench of Angelo will take years to remove.
Of course, the coaches are not to be blamed but someone even MORE removed from the field. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thayer just commented that Kapernak didn't have anywhere to releive himself on that last play. Shocked
Crapping on the Bears' heads isn't good enough?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
The defence is just getting dominated, which sucks.

But the offence has NO chance of success between Tice, the OL and Hester we are going nowhere.

I will still enjoy watching all the games and we may still make the playoffs, but this team is going nowhere till this offence gets rid of the dead weight.

We need to sign Jermon Bushrod, draft an OG and get a real OC in here.


If we dont make the playoffs we may be looking for a new HC.


We are not going to win the division, but we are going to be a wildcard because we have enough cupcakes.

But we have no real chance to win in the playoffs.
I figure that this team will need three more wins to make the P.O.s. It is hard to see where those are coming from. This is a team in total shambles now after this crushing defeat and it might not recover.

I mean the end of this game was hysterically funny, if you were not a Bears fan. It was like a clown show: safety on a lineman; Hester fielding a punt on the two.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MonserinNC wrote:
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Im liking the anti-Lovie movement in here.....been saying for a while I dont like him.....LOL @ this whole thread though


I think its written in stone that I've never liked him.


He never turns it around....I always have said we could have won that Super Bowl....the team go super tight but Grossman had played hot and cold all year.....anyway though
That on is not on Smith. Two incredibly lucky plays were the difference (and losing Benson right at the beginning.)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZBearsFan wrote:
Anyone else feeling enlightened at how great a well called game on offense looked? If Harbaugh had been half as good a QB as he is an offensive play caller he would have been a lifelong Bear and a Chicago legend.
This looked like an NFL coach vs a Pop Warner coach. And to think SF is going to have a great coach for a looong time while we bounce between good and no-good just makes me sick.
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GOGRIESE wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
Anyone else feeling enlightened at how great a well called game on offense looked? If Harbaugh had been half as good a QB as he is an offensive play caller he would have been a lifelong Bear and a Chicago legend.


Yep....but I think we have a good potential HC on our staff right now.
Who?
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GOGRIESE wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
Anyone else feeling enlightened at how great a well called game on offense looked? If Harbaugh had been half as good a QB as he is an offensive play caller he would have been a lifelong Bear and a Chicago legend.


Yep....but I think we have a good potential HC on our staff right now.

I actually think Tice is a pretty good HC. Just not a good play caller.


Toub Wink
Without Hester Toub is nothing special. I know the Conventional Wisdom says DAve is head coaching material but that has been proved over and over to be bunk.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigsooie5 wrote:
theindianstud12 wrote:
Give Sean Payton anything he wants

I dont see any chance that happens... although Chicago would be an attractable job for a lot of coacheing candidates, I just can't see us getting over the hump and into that top tier of teams with Lovie Smith and Mike Tice leading the way... I'd be willing to bet Emery agrees with me, we shall see...
It depends what happens the rest of the way. Our luck will be that the team drags itself over the line and makes the playoffs by a nose and the talk from the Idiot Media will be how great coaching got the Bears into the playoffs. Then to top it off Smith will be extended yet again and the same boom/bust cycle will repeat itself complete with OC firings to mask the blame.

Now with all the talk of Cutler having had six concussions already it is clear that they are going to have to start looking for another QB. And the thought of this staff developing a QB is beyond hysterical.
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Madmike90 wrote:
I stopped posting on here at half time knowing the world was about to fall but kept watching the game…

Let’s get the very few positives out of the way first…

The D in the 2nd half looked far more like our D than it did in the 1st half…it was pretty obvious that we made adjustments on that side of the ball playing more zone coverage than the man coverage we were being burned with in the 1st half… Against a competent coaching staff this is not good enough and is, in fact, a further demonstration that this staff gets out-coached by smart coaches. We cannot play like idiots for a quarter against a good team and expect to win. Our defense was totally confused for a half, looking worse than I have ever seen it this century.

Ok on to the negatives…

Jason Campbell isn’t worth the money…yeah the Oline was terrible but Campbell wasn’t getting the ball out quick enough either… Agree, Campbell moved less than the Statue of Liberty. And nothing was called to help him: roll-outs, draws, keeping some one to double Smith.

We aren’t getting Earl Bennett (Bennett has totally disappeared) or any other WR involved enough…when Jay was in the game I figured it was just Jay trying to get the ball to Marshall as much as possible…now I think it might be by design that Marshall is the first look on every play…even when doubled…then with Campbell in he doesn’t have the mentality to throw it into double coverage like Jay does and even when Campbell does it’s not going to be completed because he doesn’t have Jay’s arm… He was very inaccurate. So when he is missing wide open guys he is not likely to be threading any needles.

On last night’s game file we have one starting Olinemen and that’s Lance Louis…Webb started the season well but last night was really poor…I have been saying since Rachal entered the starting lineup that he isn’t a long term option at LG…Garza has been really poor all season…and if Carimi is 100% recovered we are in a bit of trouble because he isn’t getting the job done…I’m all for giving guys time but when your QB is getting killed you have to do something…any illusion of going out and picking up quality you defensive talent is gone…we may as well double dip in the 1st and 2nd round on Oline and sign a starter…blow it up and start again…

Again I’m all for giving guys time but Tice is starting to really worry me as a play called and designer…I don’t think there is a chance we sack him during the season and I don’t think Bates is the answer either considering he has a big say in the design of many of the passing plays…I think at the end of the season we have to take a risk and bring in someone with a lot of creativity…possibly from the college ranks.
Bobby Patrino would be someone to consider but he ain't coming here with a Lame Duck Lovie. We are going to have to look at drafting QB help as well given the concussions of Jay. Frankly we need a new design top to bottom.
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I was told at work we got wasted last night. I saw the 'highlights' and deleted the game off my DVR. I hope to hell this was a wake up call for us, from what I saw, the blind and deaf academy would have beaten us. Aldon Smith had 5 and a half sacks? 3 in the first half. Seriously. I partly blame Emery for that. first for only signing one O-lineman during FA last year and for not drafting any o-linemen last April(but we draft 3 DBs, one who is on IR, one on the PS and one who got cut and is on Arizonas PS I believe) Pathetic from us from what I saw. Did our D even show up? We gave up 3 TDs when we average giving up 1 per game. Were there any positives to come out of this game? Jeffery played, seems like that was it. We better get our act together 4 of our next 6 games are divisional games, and we need to win those. All phases need to step up.


Any word on Cutler? NFLNs Tom Waddle said he could be back this week. I hope hes right.
No, our defense did not show up and was just as bad as the offense.
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ChicagoAl wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
GOGRIESE wrote:
AZBearsFan wrote:
Anyone else feeling enlightened at how great a well called game on offense looked? If Harbaugh had been half as good a QB as he is an offensive play caller he would have been a lifelong Bear and a Chicago legend.


Yep....but I think we have a good potential HC on our staff right now.

I actually think Tice is a pretty good HC. Just not a good play caller.


Toub Wink
Without Hester Toub is nothing special. I know the Conventional Wisdom says DAve is head coaching material but that has been proved over and over to be bunk.
Danieal Manning and Johnny Knox say hi. Even Earl Bennett has a return TD. Hester is done.
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