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Flaccomania


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the 2011 WRs Reply with quote

ArrowheadRage58 wrote:
Flaccomania wrote:


I guess you shouldn't have deleted my list from your quote then since you clearly don't remember it.

I pay plenty of attention, and I'd definitely take Little over Baldwin going forward. In case you haven't paid attention, Little's QB situation isn't much better and he's still shown more. I would absolutely take every WR I listed above Baldwin moving forward over him, and I'm most certainly factoring in QB play. Let's not act like Cecil Shorts' QB situation is much better either, yet he's up there.


You're right and I apologize.

Little has also not been on a team behind Dwayne Bowe and behind Breaston in his 1st year along with an injury...Little was the #1 as a rookie, yet is only the #2 this year getting fewer catches than an unheralded rookie and he actually has a good passer throwing to him...Weeden is not a good all around QB yet, but he is worlds better than Cassel as a passer, are you gonna deny that? Shorts again, same situation, Gabbert can make some throws he just struggles overall.

So again, I really don't think you're factoring in QB play/opportunity...should be an interesting next few years.


The fact that you think Weeden and Gabbert are worlds ahead of Cassel is just your homerism coming through. Are they better passers? Sure, because Cassel is awful. But they are not far enough ahead (and really not that far at all in my opinion) to make much of a difference when factoring in QB play for the WRs. They're all bad, yet Shorts and Little have still shown more (and I'm not talking purely stats, I'm talking when they've gotten the ball, so the whole "Baldwin is stuck behind Bowe and Breaston" argument is null and void).

So, again, I'm very much factoring in QB play, and I'm most certainly factoring in opportunity by not looking purely at stats but rather what the players do when given the ball.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Torrey Smith
4. Denarius Moore
5. Randall Cobb
6. Jeremy Kerley
7. Cecil Shorts
8. Doug Baldwin
9. Titus Young
10. Jon Baldwin
11. Leonard Hankerson
12. Vincent Brown
13. Greg Little
14. Austin Pettis
15. Tandon Doss
16. Dwayne Harris
17. Jerrel Jernigan
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the 2011 WRs Reply with quote

SupeRG00F wrote:
RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
1. A.J. Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Torrey Smith
4. Denarius Moore
5. Randall Cobb
6. Jeremy Kerley
7. Cecil Shorts
8. Greg Little
9. Titus Young
10. Doug Baldwin
11. Vincent Brown
12. Jon Baldwib
13. Leonard Hankerson
14. Austin Pettis
15. Tandon Doss
16. Dwayne Harris
17. Jerrel Jernigan

You forgot to include Doug Baldwin in your initial list BTW

EDIT: lol wow me and green's lists are practically identical.

Doug Baldwin was an UDFA


Your point?... He's still part of the 2011 WR class...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the 2011 WRs Reply with quote

RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
SupeRG00F wrote:
RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
1. A.J. Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Torrey Smith
4. Denarius Moore
5. Randall Cobb
6. Jeremy Kerley
7. Cecil Shorts
8. Greg Little
9. Titus Young
10. Doug Baldwin
11. Vincent Brown
12. Jon Baldwib
13. Leonard Hankerson
14. Austin Pettis
15. Tandon Doss
16. Dwayne Harris
17. Jerrel Jernigan

You forgot to include Doug Baldwin in your initial list BTW

EDIT: lol wow me and green's lists are practically identical.

Doug Baldwin was an UDFA


Your point?... He's still part of the 2011 WR class...

Well the author of the post listed everyone who was drafted in 2011..that would be why he left Doug off the list.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the 2011 WRs Reply with quote

SupeRG00F wrote:
RandyMossIsBoss wrote:

Your point?... He's still part of the 2011 WR class...

Well the author of the post listed everyone who was drafted in 2011..that would be why he left Doug off the list.


Didn't see the word "drafted" anywhere...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bmore4life815 wrote:
Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.


You're saying you don't understand why he's higher, then proceed to show stats that show he's done better...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Munch- wrote:
bmore4life815 wrote:
Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.


You're saying you don't understand why he's higher, then proceed to show stats that show he's done better...

In some areas, while Moore has done better in others. And while Torrey's rookie statline should've looked better (him and Flacco weren't on the same page on quite a few plays), Moore had Jason Campbell throwing to him for 5 games.

I have no problem with anyone ranking Torrey higher. I'm just surprised that literally everyone has Moore behind.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Munch- wrote:
bmore4life815 wrote:
Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.


You're saying you don't understand why he's higher, then proceed to show stats that show he's done better...


In 4 more games though. Give Moore those 4 games and the stats are nearly identical, which is what i think he is getting at.

IMO it's very close, but Torreys blazing speed gives him a slight advantage to most people, and by all accounts his route running has improved dramatically.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OakRaiders3828 wrote:
-Munch- wrote:
bmore4life815 wrote:
Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.


You're saying you don't understand why he's higher, then proceed to show stats that show he's done better...


In 4 more games though. Give Moore those 4 games and the stats are nearly identical, which is what i think he is getting at.

IMO it's very close, but Torreys blazing speed gives him a slight advantage to most people, and by all accounts his route running has improved dramatically.

A 4.43 forty is obviously impressive, but I'm surprised Torrey didn't run in the 4.33-4.35 range. His top-end speed is some of the very best in the league amongst receivers.

Denarius is a burner as well. Not quite as fast as DHB, but he can still fly.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bmore4life815 wrote:
Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.


It might be the same situation for Moore, but I've noticed a ton of missed throws to Torrey Smith by Flacco. Smith gets open deep and Flacco overthrows him. Seemed to happend 1-2 times a game last season.

I wouldn't argue if someone ranked Moore higher than Smith, I just have Smith slightly higher at the moment...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bmore4life815 wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
-Munch- wrote:
bmore4life815 wrote:
Just curious, why are all of you putting Torrey ahead of Denarius Moore? Here are their career stats:

Torrey (25 games) - 81 catches (3.2), 1389 yards (55.6), 17.1 avg., 14 TD's (0.56)

Moore (21 games) - 67 catches (3.2), 1193 yards (56.Cool, 17.8 avg., 10 TD's (0.4Cool

Pretty damn close. I personally think both are roughly even at this point, but I'm surprised to see Torrey ranked higher on every single list.


You're saying you don't understand why he's higher, then proceed to show stats that show he's done better...


In 4 more games though. Give Moore those 4 games and the stats are nearly identical, which is what i think he is getting at.

IMO it's very close, but Torreys blazing speed gives him a slight advantage to most people, and by all accounts his route running has improved dramatically.

A 4.43 forty is obviously impressive, but I'm surprised Torrey didn't run in the 4.33-4.35 range. His top-end speed is some of the very best in the league amongst receivers.

Denarius is a burner as well. Not quite as fast as DHB, but he can still fly.


It definitely looks like Smith is faster than that on the field, he just flys past people. Moore might not be as fast but he's got moves, runs good routes and can make any catch (but also drop the easiest pass Mad )
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Rank the 2011 WRs Reply with quote

TheVillain112 wrote:
SupeRG00F wrote:
RandyMossIsBoss wrote:

Your point?... He's still part of the 2011 WR class...

Well the author of the post listed everyone who was drafted in 2011..that would be why he left Doug off the list.


Didn't see the word "drafted" anywhere...

Haha, alright. he said "In the order they were picked". My bad on the terminology.

Either way it doesn't matter to me. I'm a Seahawk fan and like the fact he's the tenth best on his list. I was trying to help the fella out on why Doug wasn't on the list to begin with.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Torrey Smith
4. Doug Baldwin
5. Cecil Shorts
6. Denarius Moore
7. Jeremy Kerley
8. Randall Cobb
9. Titus Young
10. Leonard Hankerson
11. Jon Baldwin
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wislakrak wrote:
1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. Torrey Smith
4. Doug Baldwin
5. Cecil Shorts
6. Denarius Moore
7. Jeremy Kerley
8. Randall Cobb
9. Titus Young
10. Leonard Hankerson
11. Jon Baldwin


You would really take Baldwin and Shorts over Moore? Baldwin doesn't even have 200 yards this year.
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