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MaddHatter
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| texans_uk wrote: | Eli had been a borderline top 10 QB for many years. Up until this past offseason you would struggle to find non-Giants fans putting him higher than 8th.
And let's not pretend like he isn't generally right up there with the league leaders in interceptions.
I think Rivers, Romo and Eli are still very good QBs who are just having a bad time. Jason Garrett and Norv Turner suck.
Vick and Cutler just aren't very good QBs in my eyes. |
I agree with you 100% - I think R/R/E are still very good QB's on a down season
I also agree and have said for a while that vick and Cutler weren't good QB's but they were consistently getting pushed into that lower part of the Top 10. Vick's decision making has always been one of the worst in the league along with Cutler which can only be hidden by talent for so long.
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texans_uk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Its funny I had a lengthy "debate" with someone who was adamant Vick was going to become a career mid-90s rating guy, because of trends he had made to suit himself. The topic got locked I assume because I was right and this forum hates that sort of thing.
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King John
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Eh, Romo will still have a Passer Rating somewhere in the 90s by the end of the season imo, definitely a drop off from last year, but not horrible.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I can only hope our next coach sees that Rivers is more limited mobility wise than Jared Gaither with back problems.
Unless Norv turns it around and leads us to the promise land. Then we build something slightly less mobile than Rivers - a statue. 
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| texans_uk wrote: | | Its funny I had a lengthy "debate" with someone who was adamant Vick was going to become a career mid-90s rating guy, because of trends he had made to suit himself. The topic got locked I assume because I was right and this forum hates that sort of thing. |
Honestly, when someone from the UK wins a football debate with someone, the person who got beat should be banned from here because he's a disgrace to Murrica.
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RandyMossIsBoss
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Tzimisce wrote: | Rivers and Vick were already on the decline as of last year.
Cutler was never really considered better than slightly above-average.
Eli has never been a great regular season QB and is in the middle of his annual midseason slump.
Romo has always flirted with being crappy. This year he decided to dive in headfirst. |
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Vick hasn't been considered a top 10 QB in awhile though, you should of included Stafford or Newton instead.
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MaddHatter
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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A while as in this last offseason?
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dahobofest
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| Tzimisce wrote: |
Romo has always flirted with being crappy. This year he decided to dive in headfirst. |
You don't know what you're talking about. Could you give examples? Don't say the 5 interception game, because the three interceptions that happened during competitive play were because of his teammates... |
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dahobofest
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Tzimisce wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: |
Tzimisce - Romo has "flirted with being crappy" ? Please elaborate |
Given how many bonehead, game-costing interceptions he's thrown over the years, this shouldn't be too hard to figure out. He's never been as good as the stats would have you think. |
You could say that about any quarterback, most moreso than Romo. The media just likes to harp on any possible example where you could blame anything on Romo. Rivers and Eli have screwed more games this year and last year than in Romo's career. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| By the way, statistics are very misleading, specifically interceptions and touchdowns. Some quarterbacks have many interceptions at the fault of their teammates. Some quarterbacks throw the ball at a very high % in the redzone while other teams will run the ball. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| dahobofest wrote: | | By the way, statistics are very misleading, specifically interceptions and touchdowns. Some quarterbacks have many interceptions at the fault of their teammates. Some quarterbacks throw the ball at a very high % in the redzone while other teams will run the ball. |
For as many times a QB is intercepted and not be his fault, you have that same QB hit a DB on his hands and it's straight dropped. It equals itself out IMO.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Ketchup wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | By the way, statistics are very misleading, specifically interceptions and touchdowns. Some quarterbacks have many interceptions at the fault of their teammates. Some quarterbacks throw the ball at a very high % in the redzone while other teams will run the ball. |
For as many times a QB is intercepted and not be his fault, you have that same QB hit a DB on his hands and it's straight dropped. It equals itself out IMO. |
Not really. That's assuming the QB who has bad luck with his teammates screwing up also happens to have more bad throws that should have been intercepted... |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| No QB could have success with the Eagles combination of playcalling and Oline play this year. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Tzimisce wrote: | Rivers and Vick were already on the decline as of last year.
Cutler was never really considered better than slightly above-average.
Eli has never been a great regular season QB and is in the middle of his annual midseason slump.
Romo has always flirted with being crappy. This year he decided to dive in headfirst. |
 Poor Romo...
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| dahobofest wrote: | | By the way, statistics are very misleading, specifically interceptions and touchdowns. Some quarterbacks have many interceptions at the fault of their teammates. Some quarterbacks throw the ball at a very high % in the redzone while other teams will run the ball. |
Funny because that happens to eli all the time and you still made ridiculous comments about him. But now its happening to Romo, now interceptions and touchdowns can be misleading.
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