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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Romo is not in decline and he has consistently been a top 10 QB. I hate to break it to Cowboys fans, but the problem is NOT Tony Romo. It is your horribly overrated WRs, your terrible offensive line, your non-existent running game, your patsy of a head coach, and your terrible owner and general manager. Your team -- your organization -- is not good. Start dealing with it now.

QBs do not consistently put up 25+ to 30+ TDs a season while secretly being terrible unless they're playing with Randy Moss (Culpepper) or Calvin Johnson (Stafford).


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenney - I agree with you 100% on all points

Tzimisce - Romo has "flirted with being crappy" ? Please elaborate
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Ketchup wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
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All I know is that Eli sucks.


Better than Cutler.


He's a Packer's fan Laughing


Thats so obvious with his screenname. Confused

Either way, its a ridiculous comment.
So say he was a Bears fan... So he can't have an opinion on a QB that is better then his teams QB without u bringing it up? Maybe ask why he feels Eli sucks instead of taking a pot shot at the team you thought he was a fan of.


He replied in that manner because it was a stupid comment.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eagles101 wrote:
went through and saw which qbs you have there through the stats....dont know if you want people to know who they are....but all but one of them is really isnt a surprise.


Most people had 4 of the 5 in their Top 10 lists and almost everyone had 3 of the 5 on their list. So to have nearly 50% of the Top 10 QB's in the NFL playing like they're average to below average QB's is a surprise.

Meanwhile Alex Smith is playing like a Top 5 QB with a nearly 3:1 TD:INT and 70% comp for 8.0YPA - Granted he's about 1000yds behind the other leaders in yardage.

And while Eli hasn't been a "great regular season QB" he and Romo are being outplayed by Russell Wilson, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman, Kevin Kolb, Christian Ponder, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton and RGIII (Eli was a pro bowler last year.)

Then you have Cam Newton and Matt Stafford, who I didn't list in the OP, who were both Pro Bowlers last year. Cam is at 57% and 7.9YPA with 8 TD and 10 INT while Matt has 63% and 7.0YPA with 11 TD and 8 INT.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
went through and saw which qbs you have there through the stats....dont know if you want people to know who they are....but all but one of them is really isnt a surprise.


Most people had 4 of the 5 in their Top 10 lists and almost everyone had 3 of the 5 on their list. So to have nearly 50% of the Top 10 QB's in the NFL playing like they're average to below average QB's is a surprise.


ya but they all are qbs that the majority of people would agree could easily have a season like they are having.
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I don't understand most of that, but I can tell it's probably inaccurate.
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eagles101 wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
went through and saw which qbs you have there through the stats....dont know if you want people to know who they are....but all but one of them is really isnt a surprise.


Most people had 4 of the 5 in their Top 10 lists and almost everyone had 3 of the 5 on their list. So to have nearly 50% of the Top 10 QB's in the NFL playing like they're average to below average QB's is a surprise.


ya but they all are qbs that the majority of people would agree could easily have a season like they are having.


Romo's worst season prior to this was a 61% 8.2 YPA 265 YPG 26 TD 14 INT season and he's coming off a 3:1 TD:INT season with 8 YPA and 66% - One might have thought he was "capable" of having a season like this but I doubt many thought he would.
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MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
went through and saw which qbs you have there through the stats....dont know if you want people to know who they are....but all but one of them is really isnt a surprise.


Most people had 4 of the 5 in their Top 10 lists and almost everyone had 3 of the 5 on their list. So to have nearly 50% of the Top 10 QB's in the NFL playing like they're average to below average QB's is a surprise.


ya but they all are qbs that the majority of people would agree could easily have a season like they are having.


Romo's worst season prior to this was a 61% 8.2 YPA 265 YPG 26 TD 14 INT season and he's coming off a 3:1 TD:INT season with 8 YPA and 66% - One might have thought he was "capable" of having a season like this but I doubt many thought he would.



hes also coming off an anomaly season that made every qb look 3 times better then they are.

but that is also my point. ya you wouldnt have guess romo would do so bad but him doing it is not mind boggling....the same with every other qb on this list.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eagles101 wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
went through and saw which qbs you have there through the stats....dont know if you want people to know who they are....but all but one of them is really isnt a surprise.


Most people had 4 of the 5 in their Top 10 lists and almost everyone had 3 of the 5 on their list. So to have nearly 50% of the Top 10 QB's in the NFL playing like they're average to below average QB's is a surprise.


ya but they all are qbs that the majority of people would agree could easily have a season like they are having.


Romo's worst season prior to this was a 61% 8.2 YPA 265 YPG 26 TD 14 INT season and he's coming off a 3:1 TD:INT season with 8 YPA and 66% - One might have thought he was "capable" of having a season like this but I doubt many thought he would.



hes also coming off an anomaly season that made every qb look 3 times better then they are.

but that is also my point. ya you wouldnt have guess romo would do so bad but him doing it is not mind boggling....the same with every other qb on this list.


Anomaly?

He posted a 3:1 TD:INT season with a 63% and 8 YPA season in 2009 also before he broke his collarbone in 2010. So that's both of his last 2 full seasons - I think that hurts your "anomaly" theory.
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MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:
eagles101 wrote:
went through and saw which qbs you have there through the stats....dont know if you want people to know who they are....but all but one of them is really isnt a surprise.


Most people had 4 of the 5 in their Top 10 lists and almost everyone had 3 of the 5 on their list. So to have nearly 50% of the Top 10 QB's in the NFL playing like they're average to below average QB's is a surprise.


ya but they all are qbs that the majority of people would agree could easily have a season like they are having.


Romo's worst season prior to this was a 61% 8.2 YPA 265 YPG 26 TD 14 INT season and he's coming off a 3:1 TD:INT season with 8 YPA and 66% - One might have thought he was "capable" of having a season like this but I doubt many thought he would.



hes also coming off an anomaly season that made every qb look 3 times better then they are.

but that is also my point. ya you wouldnt have guess romo would do so bad but him doing it is not mind boggling....the same with every other qb on this list.


Anomaly?

He posted a 3:1 TD:INT season with a 63% and 8 YPA season in 2009 also before he broke his collarbone in 2010. So that's both of his last 2 full seasons - I think that hurts your "anomaly" theory.


it was an anomaly for the nfl not just romo.
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Ketchup wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
Green90 wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
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All I know is that Eli sucks.


Better than Cutler.


He's a Packer's fan Laughing


Thats so obvious with his screenname. Confused

Either way, its a ridiculous comment.
So say he was a Bears fan... So he can't have an opinion on a QB that is better then his teams QB without u bringing it up? Maybe ask why he feels Eli sucks instead of taking a pot shot at the team you thought he was a fan of.


It was a blind comment, and an obvious troll attempt. Perhaps he shouldve been more constructive with his post and elaborated his thought more, then maybe it wouldnt have come across as bad.

If someone said "Aaron Rodgers sucks" without adding anything else, you and a horde of angry Packers fans would be flipping out, and dont act like thats not true.
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MaddHatter wrote:

Tzimisce - Romo has "flirted with being crappy" ? Please elaborate
Given how many bonehead, game-costing interceptions he's thrown over the years, this shouldn't be too hard to figure out. He's never been as good as the stats would have you think.
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Tzimisce wrote:
MaddHatter wrote:

Tzimisce - Romo has "flirted with being crappy" ? Please elaborate
Given how many bonehead, game-costing interceptions he's thrown over the years, this shouldn't be too hard to figure out. He's never been as good as the stats would have you think.


Please point out all his "game-costing" INT's over the few years - I'll wait.

Focusing on DET and NYJ and ignoring the 49ers and all the other game winning drives and TD's he's thrown and acting like that's the real Romo is ignorant. Him posting elite YPA and elite TD:INT numbers year after year isn't an accident and isn't flirting with crappy. No QB can fake being elite with their stats for this long while being a terrible QB, not to mention every QB has a bad game once or twice a season. Eli threw 4 vs. Seattle, Brady threw 4 or 5 vs Buffalo IIRC, Brees threw 3 vs TB. Have they all been flirting with crappy as well?
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Define being outplayed?

And i can't believe your comment about Eli, he not only flirted with crappy, he flat out was crappy for several seasons.
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Define being outplayed?


Better stats - I used PSR real quick to sort but typically that's a projection of TD:INT ratio and YPA/Comp%

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And i can't believe your comment about Eli, he not only flirted with crappy, he flat out was crappy for several seasons.


He's been a Top 10 QB for several years and some were putting him 4th or 5th this offseason behind the Elite 3 and Peyton/Ben were his competition.
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Eli had been a borderline top 10 QB for many years. Up until this past offseason you would struggle to find non-Giants fans putting him higher than 8th.

And let's not pretend like he isn't generally right up there with the league leaders in interceptions.

I think Rivers, Romo and Eli are still very good QBs who are just having a bad time. Jason Garrett and Norv Turner suck.

Vick and Cutler just aren't very good QBs in my eyes.
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